England's problem

[MSP]

Too much pressure on players who are not that good tbh. Good enough for the league where they play in top clubs and half of the league roll over their big clubs as soon as them and their foreign buddies appear on the pitch but not that good at all when they face similar or better quality players who also play in top clubs of other big leagues. There's barely world class player in England team. Take top European clubs and think who they would like to sign from your squad.. Rooney, some maybe Hart and eventually to bet Sterling and Barkley to become good. They wouldn't touch anyone else from your team yet half of England wank about likes of fucking Lallana, that shows what kind of standard make English football happy these days. What top club would be interested in Jagielka, Johnson, Baines, Cahill, Henderson or Welbeck? Nobody in million years.

It's surely good enough team to have tight match against Uruguay but it's really not that big deal to see England losing by them, you're just not that better team to have a granted win in that kind of match and with all pressure media and fans put on their shoulders players of average or just good but not top quality fail to deliver.

It was obvious from moment Hodgson announced the list that you have nice attack but pretty woeful defence. Though you scored just two goals I thought you played nice up front, bit more clinical stuff and there might be some more goals but that defence was always going to concede some goals. And that midfield was always going to expose back 4 few times in any game.

That's IMO your problem with hat you already have, there's obviously bigger problem in why you don't have much more being top football nation and having top world's league. I mean, Italy used to be best league in the world but they yet had great national sides and were winning the stuff internationally and were at least contenders all the time. You just can't do it and probably the huge reorganization is needed and some Brittish views on football should be completely changed. One of those is your stupid insisting on rating players on making a shift and being hard tacklers instead on their footballing qualities. Making a shift is always good thing but if you can't play football why doing that than it's just sooo 70's and football moved away from that long time ago but you guys look like you still haven't.

 

[yerwot?]

this thread could stretch back to 1953 if BM had existed.
The '' system'' churns out clones of the team that was humiliated by the Hungarians, with a mere handful that were good enough to be signed by the top continental clubs. Clubs employing ex-players as scouts and managers and coaches perpetuates the problem.
The lower divisions are the showcase for what our system produces, all muscle no brains. Eventually the prem will be all foreign players, they are the product of a superior coaching and scouting system.
Changing the manager will not make much difference, the damage is done before he is involved. The notion that prem teams have a quota of English players will make our clubs worse with no benefit to the national team.

 

[whp.blue]

We need to look at bringing more English players into the premier league, just like in Germany where they focus on bringing thought their own players. It's hugely
Y benefited the national team

I for one want to see the best players in the world at City and don't give a flying fuck if that means there are no Englishmen in the team.

The FA is incompetent and bordering on corrupt the way they do things like the allocation of tickets etc the whole organisation is rotten to the core.

What is needed is a complete clear out of the FA and a re-definition of it's goals and aims then if they concentrate on grass roots football instead of wasting millions bidding for world cups etc and flying executives around the globe the state of football in England will improve. English players will then force themselves into the top teams on merit and not by some artificial quota system that will just lower standards in the premier league.

 

[Juan King]

The familiar " there's not enough English players in the PL" bullshit will start. It doesn't matter how many we have if the manager can't or won't drop the big name players who constantly deliver fuck all.

The other problem is the manager. Seriously how did Woy get the job? He was hardly setting the world alight at West Brom. He got it because he is English & there aren't any decent English managers about, including him. I don't care what nationality the manager is , we need to best person available. Hodgson is an embarrassment!

Greg fucking Dyke has told Woy that his job is safe, he is another problem. How this idiot is in charge at the FA defies belief. The whole carry on with his panel of experts including Danny Mills , where they spent ages to come up with their idea of having B teams sums up what complete fuck whits they are.

 

[Rammyblues]

Until there are professional well qualified coaches in every school, youth club and the like from grassroots football right up to senior level we will continue to fail. Then we need a manager with the balls to pick a team on merit rather than reputation and who they play for.

 

[BrianW]

England have basically gone the way Scotland went 20-30 years ago. Is the problem in Scotland that 'there are too many foreign players' in the Scottish league? I think not.

Society has moved on. Kids no longer spend all their time kicking footballs in the street, the playing fields near me that used to be packed with a team on every pitch rarely have more than two or three games at once for all levels from little kids to grown blokes. People like watching football, sure, but playing it? Definitely not as much as used to be the case. Too many of those that do 'make it' at youth level have a Billy Big Boots attitude before they even make the first team. They turn to drink (and worse) because of the culture of this country, which says that's what you do, and especially if you are loaded. They simply don't, by and large, have the down-to-earth attitude of the likes of Zabaleta. OK, there are honourable exceptions, but these are the few that make it. Generally speaking you can't succeed in top-level modern football and be a piss head. Those days have gone.

Then there is the coaching. Too few coaches, and too many that are inadequately trained.

English clubs would be delighted to have more English players playing for them if there was a supply available. The truth is top-notch English players are few and far between, and you have to pay ££££££££££££s. In fact, for quite ordinary English players you have to pay ££££££££££s. Supply and demand. The problem is the supply of talent is completely inadequate.

 

[woolleyback blue]

I don't listen to Talk Sh1 but her ladship does. She said Stuart Pearce was on this morning. He mentioned when he was U21 manager and they reached the finals of the Euro u21's and played Germany.

He said 6 of the U21 German team are now playing for the full team. Anyone care to guess how many of the England u21 team were on the pitch against Uruguay and for a bonus point how many in squad?

Clue it is't nil.

There were no players from that U21 team on the field but Jimmy Milner did play in that final and was obviously on the bench last night. Agbonlahor and Frazier Campbell were regulars at that time but missing through injury. Walcott was in the team and would have been there last night but for his injury.

Richards & Onuoha played in that game as the centre-back pairing and Rodwell & Adam Johnson also played. So is it that these players aren't good enough or that our club coaching doesn't help them to make that final step?

Pearce said Joe Hart was in that U21 Team. Was he wrong?

It highlights the fact that we don't seem to have any policy of maintaining a team structure and playing style throughout the England teams. Players don't progress naturally from u21 to full team level mainly because we always seem to pick England managers that stick to older over the hill players or pick them simply because they play for certain clubs, Gerrard, Wellshite and Henderson being perfect examples. We don't have a team we have a collection of players thrown together in the hope they will "click"

The English style of football gets panned but it has to be played at the right tempo with players who have skills and a football brain. How many times do we see a ball passed to an English player bounce off him like its been hit at a brick wall, how many times do they take the wrong option. Watch the Brazil Spain match from the Confederations cup, Brazil played a high tempo pass and move game when they had the ball.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

England have basically gone the way Scotland went 20-30 years ago. Is the problem in Scotland that 'there are too many foreign players' in the Scottish league? I think not.

Society has moved on. Kids no longer spend all their time kicking footballs in the street, the playing fields near me that used to be packed with a team on every pitch rarely have more than two or three games at once for all levels from little kids to grown blokes. People like watching football, sure, but playing it? Definitely not as much as used to be the case. Too many of those that do 'make it' at youth level have a Billy Big Boots attitude before they even make the first team. They turn to drink (and worse) because of the culture of this country, which says that's what you do, and especially if you are loaded. They simply don't, by and large, have the down-to-earth attitude of the likes of Zabaleta. OK, there are honourable exceptions, but these are the few that make it. Generally speaking you can't succeed in top-level modern football and be a piss head. Those days have gone.

Then there is the coaching. Too few coaches, and too many that are inadequately trained.

English clubs would be delighted to have more English players playing for them if there was a supply available. The truth is top-notch English players are few and far between, and you have to pay ££££££££££££s. In fact, for quite ordinary English players you have to pay ££££££££££s. Supply and demand. The problem is the supply of talent is completely inadequate.

I'm not having the top bit Germany is a similar country to us in what the kids do. Ie video games tv and Internet. Yet they still produce players, IMO that's because they are given more of a chance. For example in the prem we now have southampton who are playing there youth and are proving how good they are. There are loads of young kids playing football right now just as much as in Germany of Italy

 

[waspish]

The under 17 that won the euros every player they wanted was released by the clubs Teams don't release players after the age of 18! Stuart Pearce said the under 21 team had around 40+ players pull out now this is the problem clubs and players don't take it seriously!

 

[Blue Smarties]

I don't listen to Talk Sh1 but her ladship does. She said Stuart Pearce was on this morning. He mentioned when he was U21 manager and they reached the finals of the Euro u21's and played Germany.

He said 6 of the U21 German team are now playing for the full team. Anyone care to guess how many of the England u21 team were on the pitch against Uruguay and for a bonus point how many in squad?

Clue it is't nil.

There were no players from that U21 team on the field but Jimmy Milner did play in that final and was obviously on the bench last night. Agbonlahor and Frazier Campbell were regulars at that time but missing through injury. Walcott was in the team and would have been there last night but for his injury.

Richards & Onuoha played in that game as the centre-back pairing and Rodwell & Adam Johnson also played. So is it that these players aren't good enough or that our club coaching doesn't help them to make that final step?

Pearce said Joe Hart was in that U21 Team. Was he wrong?

It highlights the fact that we don't seem to have any policy of maintaining a team structure and playing style throughout the England teams. Players don't progress naturally from u21 to full team level mainly because we always seem to pick England managers that stick to older over the hill players or pick them simply because they play for certain clubs, Gerrard, Wellshite and Henderson being perfect examples. We don't have a team we have a collection of players thrown together in the hope they will "click"

The English style of football gets panned but it has to be played at the right tempo with players who have skills and a football brain. How many times do we see a ball passed to an English player bounce off him like its been hit at a brick wall, how many times do they take the wrong option. Watch the Brazil Spain match from the Confederations cup, Brazil played a high tempo pass and move game when they had the ball.

Hart wasn't in that team mate.