Epstein / Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor / Maxwell

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

No youre problem is that you think it's up to you to make unneeded superficial judgements so that you can present yourself as "the voice of reason" withough really adding anything to the debate beyond trying to dismiss people for engaging in it. Surely you could have simply scrutinised the substance and see how much i either presented things as fact or purely as my own speculation but you rather saw it oportune to jump to a dismissive judgement withought substance.

I see nothing (ethicaly or in terms of rules) wrong with me speculating on this forum, the only way you would have a point is if you could show that i would be presenting something as fact which i was purely speculating about.


Some added news on the case
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...s-morning-of-death/ar-AAFEfZY?ocid=spartanntp

It appears that at the time of Epsteins suicide the prison was understaffed with a number of people working overtime.

and:
https://www.newser.com/story/279012/epsteins-prison-safeguards-had-been-removed.html

It also appears that Epstein had a celmate which had been promised to him, but the celmate was taken out the cell a few days before.

He was to bunk with a cellmate in a special housing unit and receive a check from a guard every 30 minutes. But the Times' sources say that cellmate had recently been moved, and the guard checks didn't occur the night before Epstein's apparent suicide.

You know it's a really poor coverup when somewhat respected sources of the mainstream media are referring to it as an "apparent suicide"

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/slate....bill-clinton-donald-trump-alan-dershowitz.amp

Good article for seeing rich/famous people who had connections to Epstein

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

You know it's a really poor coverup when somewhat respected sources of the mainstream media are referring to it as an "apparent suicide"

Even if Epstein did actually take his own life, it would appear that he'd been 'facilitated' by the prison staff.

I really wouldn't be surprised if Dr Ronnie Jackson (same guy that said Trump was in excellent health, and not obese) had carried out the Autopsy.

 

[LeeJay]

You’ve got your extra strong tin foil hat on today I see...

Or you might just be barking mad.

Im barking mad because I feel there is something gravely wrong with 'this picture' & the people who are directing it...?

People like Trump who get away with whatever they like, people like Hillary Clinton who has a certain penchant for prepubescent girls, and her zombie like husband who both partied with a convicted paedophile (Epstein) on his party boat?

Or because I dont think tommy Robinson has his finger on the right pulse?

As bad as Islamic rape / grooming gangs are, it might be argued that Tommy is being funded by the same people who are launching missiles into Palestine and detaining Palestinians without charge, indefinitely. And is therefore part of the problem - if you value that argument, which I don't. Tommy is just vociferous toward one group of people for his own agenda, that he fails to shine a light on white rapists, fascists in his own ranks or any number of abuses and crimes against humanity should be noted, but not taken as definitive proof he's aligned with X or Y agency. IMHO, oc.

The evils of this world can't be seen by using a single focus, or by focusing a narrowly defined viewpoint.

The Nazi's tried that by daemonizing one group of people with stereotypes, Tommy is just doing it from another direction - and meanwhile people like Savile, Epstein, Trump, the Clinton's, the Maxwells, Prince Andrew and god knows who else among the elite privileged are feeding an incessant sickness for power that knows no limits.

I'm sorry if you think that concern about an elephant in the room as big as that, so big that it dwarfs Tommy, is tin foil hat territory.

Tommy is just a football hooligan who found a stage. Trump, on the other hand, along with the Clintons, are linked with child abusing incestuous rapists, terrorism, funding terrorism, murder, racism, tax avoidance etc etc - and they found a bigger stage.

Who should we be most worried about, do you think?

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

Even if Epstein did actually take his own life, it would appear that he'd been 'facilitated' by the prison staff.

I really wouldn't be surprised if Dr Ronnie Jackson (same guy that said Trump was in excellent health, and not obese) had carried out the Autopsy.

Facilitate - Paid a backhander

Here's some rope Jeffrey, don't go killing yourself while I'm gone on my coffee break!

 

[PinkFinal]

This child prostitution recording / blackmail thing is an old trick apparently.

Rosenstiel also threw regular dinner parties honoring Lansky. Susan Kaufman, Rosenstiel’s ex-wife, claimed to have taken numerous pictures of her ex-husband and Lansky socializing and partying together, photos that were also seen by Mary Nichols of The Philadelphia Inquirer. In addition, Lansky, per Kaufman’s recollection, was one of the individuals that Rosenstiel sought to protect from legal scrutiny as part of his child prostitution and blackmail ring targeting high-ranking officials, and he was overheard saying that if the government “ever brings pressure against Lansky or any of us, we’ll use this [a specific recording taken at one of the ‘parties’] as blackmail.”

https://www.mintpressnews.com/shocking-origins-jeffrey-epstein-blackmail-roy-cohn/260621/

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

This child prostitution recording / blackmail thing is an old trick apparently.

Rosenstiel also threw regular dinner parties honoring Lansky. Susan Kaufman, Rosenstiel’s ex-wife, claimed to have taken numerous pictures of her ex-husband and Lansky socializing and partying together, photos that were also seen by Mary Nichols of The Philadelphia Inquirer. In addition, Lansky, per Kaufman’s recollection, was one of the individuals that Rosenstiel sought to protect from legal scrutiny as part of his child prostitution and blackmail ring targeting high-ranking officials, and he was overheard saying that if the government “ever brings pressure against Lansky or any of us, we’ll use this [a specific recording taken at one of the ‘parties’] as blackmail.”

https://www.mintpressnews.com/shocking-origins-jeffrey-epstein-blackmail-roy-cohn/260621/

It makes you sick to the stomach

 

[FlemishDuck]

Ghislaine Maxwell was the daughter of Robetr Maxwell. Perhaps people in Britain know that name better.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell

A hint of Maxwell's service to the Israeli state was provided by John Loftus and Mark Aarons, who described Maxwell's contacts with Czechoslovak anti-Stalinist Communist leaders in 1948 as crucial to the Czechoslovak decision to arm Israel in the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. Czechoslovak military assistance was both unique and crucial for the fledgling state as it battled for its existence. It was Maxwell's covert help in smuggling aircraft parts into Israel that led to the country having air supremacy during their 1948 War of Independence.

The British Foreign Office suspected that Maxwell was a secret agent of a foreign government, possibly a double agent or a triple agent, and "a thoroughly bad character and almost certainly financed by Russia." He had known links to the British Secret Intelligence Service (MI6), to the KGB, and to the Israeli intelligence service Mossad.[42] Six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence services attended Maxwell's funeral in Israel, while Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir eulogized him and stated: “He has done more for Israel than can today be said."[43]

Shortly before Maxwell's death, a former employee of Israel's Military Intelligence Directorate, Ari Ben-Menashe, approached a number of news organisations in Britain and the US with the allegation that Maxwell and the Daily Mirror's foreign editor, Nicholas Davies, were both long-time agents for Mossad. Ben-Menashe also claimed that in 1986, Maxwell had told the Israeli Embassy in London that Mordechai Vanunu had given information about Israel's nuclear capability to The Sunday Times, then to the Daily Mirror. Vanunu was subsequently kidnapped by Mossad and smuggled to Israel, convicted of treason and imprisoned for eighteen years.

 

[LeeJay]

^^^^^
Its not beyond the bounds if reason to consider that Maxwell was helped off his boat by shadowy hands too, tbf.

Was the verdict suicide or misadventure? I can't recall...

Either way, a lot of peoples money went missing with the pensions scam he pulled off. He certainly wasn't any different to the bankers who screw millions of £ in bonuses while screwing over the have-nots while squirreling away their I'll gotten proceeds into off shore nest eggs, or those politicians who buy up greenbelt land for pennies, then change its status to prime development land (Canary wharf / Millennium dome) to make £...

 

[FlemishDuck]

^^^^^
Its not beyond the bounds if reason to consider that Maxwell was helped off his boat by shadowy hands too, tbf.

Was the verdict suicide or misadventure? I can't recall...

Either way, a lot of peoples money went missing with the pensions scam he pulled off. He certainly wasn't any different to the bankers who screw millions of £ in bonuses while screwing over the have-nots while squirreling away their I'll gotten proceeds into off shore nest eggs, or those politicians who buy up greenbelt land for pennies, then change its status to prime development land (Canary wharf / Millennium dome) to make £...

Afaik he simply had a heart attack and then winded down in the atlantic for some reason rather than laying on the deck of his ship. Must have been hanging over the railing and then surprised by a shark or something.

I'm not sure if all scammers are suspected double spy's that would get a state burial by the intelligence community in Israel though.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

https://apnews.com/f0eef647142d40a092f5b3fe9321f480

NEW YORK (AP) — One of Jeffrey Epstein’s two guards the night he hanged himself in his federal jail cell wasn’t a regular correctional officer, according to people familiar with the detention center, which is now under scrutiny for what Attorney General William Barr on Monday called “serious irregularities.”

Epstein, 66, was found Saturday morning in his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, a jail previously renowned for its ability to hold notorious prisoners under extremely tight security.

“I was appalled, and indeed the whole department was, and frankly angry to learn of the MCC’s failure to adequately secure this prisoner,” Barr said at a police conference in New Orleans. “We are now learning of serious irregularities at this facility that are deeply concerning and demand a thorough investigation. The FBI and the office of inspector general are doing just that.”


The whole thing reeks of a conspiracy, wouldn't be that surprised if he's on an island somewhere smoking a cigar

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

https://apnews.com/f0eef647142d40a092f5b3fe9321f480

NEW YORK (AP) — One of Jeffrey Epstein’s two guards the night he hanged himself in his federal jail cell wasn’t a regular correctional officer, according to people familiar with the detention center, which is now under scrutiny for what Attorney General William Barr on Monday called “serious irregularities.”

Epstein, 66, was found Saturday morning in his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, a jail previously renowned for its ability to hold notorious prisoners under extremely tight security.

“I was appalled, and indeed the whole department was, and frankly angry to learn of the MCC’s failure to adequately secure this prisoner,” Barr said at a police conference in New Orleans. “We are now learning of serious irregularities at this facility that are deeply concerning and demand a thorough investigation. The FBI and the office of inspector general are doing just that.”


The whole thing reeks of a conspiracy, wouldn't be that surprised if he's on an island somewhere smoking a cigar

Surely that report should say "the night he was found hanged", rather than the night he hanged himself....

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

Surely that report should say "the night he was found hanged", rather than the night he hanged himself....

Exactly mate. This is the same prison that supposedly had about 1 suicide in 21 years and he's somehow managed to kill himself after just coming off suicide watch.

That despite being that he'd recently attempted suicide. Pretty good idea taking a guy off suicide watch that has no doubt a load of information regarding extremely elite people who were inside his pedapholie ring.

These people play by a different rulebook to you and me

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Unfortunately, the number of serious irregularities in this case will keep the conspiracy theorists occupied for years.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

Unfortunately, the number of serious irregularities in this case will keep the conspiracy theorists occupied for years.

And rightfully so. This isn't something that should just be forgotten about, anyone with anything between their ears at the very least can see something is very wrong with this whole case.

Unfortunately most people will go back to their lives and these sickos will carry on as they were

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

And rightfully so. This isn't something that should just be forgotten about, anyone with anything between their ears at the very least can see something is very wrong with this whole case.

Unfortunately everyone will go back to their lives and these sickos will carry on as they were

Totally agree. It's all very strange.

What is puzzling me most is AG Barr's involvement. He seems quite adamant that he's going to get to the bottom of this, and he seems a little too hands on for my liking.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

And rightfully so. This isn't something that should just be forgotten about, anyone with anything between their ears at the very least can see something is very wrong with this whole case.

Unfortunately most people will go back to their lives and these sickos will carry on as they were

they'll carry on as they were if you think and post about it every day for the rest of your life.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

Totally agree. It's all very strange.

What is puzzling me most is AG Barr's involvement. He seems quite adamant that he's going to get to the bottom of this, and he seems a little too hands on for my liking.

Barr is involved with the trump administration and he's just one of many significant figures that are swept up in these allegations.
Don't get your hopes up

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

they'll carry on as they were if you think and post about it every day for the rest of your life.

Unfortunately there's also a degree of truth in this that is ultimately depressing but who knows. The more people that know the better and maybe reform might be forced.

I recommend looking into the Marc Dutroux case in Belgium, the whole country protested against the level of incompetence from the police that made it look like he was almost supported

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Barr is involved with the trump administration and he's just one of many significant figures that are swept up in these allegations.
Don't get your hopes up

I have no doubt Barr has some involvement; maybe not in the depraved acts that Epstein and Co were involved in, but certainly in the knowledge of and subsequent cover-up.

I really won't be surprised if Barr decides he's going to run an investigation into possible Clinton involvement with Epstein as a deflection to any evidence of Trump involvement.