Epstein / Prince Andrew / Maxwell

[mancity2012_eamo]

I'm not convinced of her guilt as she wasn't even part of it whilst Epstein was inside.

There's a lot of money to be made if you can be shown to be a 'victim', as Virginia Roberts/Giuffre is well aware.

You’re not who the prosecution were trying to convince beyond a reasonable doubt though.
Convicting her is the job of the 12 jurors who would have heard all the evidence, would have heard the prosecution and defence closing arguments as well as the judge finishing by reading the charges and instructing them once again on their job.
Were you there for all that.
It’s a tough job for a jury. They’ve done their job and it is now down to the judge to sentence in accordance to the law.

Nothing to do with any of the rest of us reading the papers or SM.

 

[Stiff Little Wingers]

For the record: I have no doubt that Epstein did commit all the crimes he was accused of. However, I'm not so sure about Maxwell.

The whole trial seemed really odd. Not much from the prosecution, no Roberts/Giuffre on the stand and a two day defence with Maxwell, also not on the stand.

I just have the feeling that she is paying the price that Epstein should be paying.

sorry but this is a nonsense argument. Its like saying "why should we prosecute Nazi war criminals because really it was just Hitler to blame?". From what I followed, the prosecution case was very clear, she was up to her eyes in it, lived a luxury lifestyle on the back of vile sexual abuse and if not destroyed, then made her victims' lives very sad.

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

sorry but this is a nonsense argument. Its like saying "why should we prosecute Nazi war criminals because really it was just Hitler to blame?". From what I followed, the prosecution case was very clear, she was up to her eyes in it, lived a luxury lifestyle on the back of vile sexual abuse and if not destroyed, then made her victims' lives very sad.

All that comment means is that you have a different opinion to me.

That's fair enough..

 

[west didsblue]

I haven't followed the court case. So who did they call as a witness?
Maybe they had enough evidence from other sources that they didn't need too.?

They clearly did have enough evidence from others without having to give the defence the opportunity to cast aspersions on Giuffre’s credibility due to the pay off. It would have watered down the prosecution case and it made perfect sense not to use her.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

They clearly did have enough evidence from others without having to give the defence the opportunity to cast aspersions on Giuffre’s credibility due to the pay off. It would have watered down the prosecution case and it made perfect sense not to use her.

In that case, couldn't the defence have brought her in if you felt they could have cast doubt on her credibility?

 

[west didsblue]

And her dad Captain Bob never went overboard off that boat ... Thanks to Mossad, he lived his life out using MY pension money, the corrupt slug.

I wouldn't be suprised if they do similar for his daughter ...

Is there a credible link for that theory or is it off one of those antisemitic websites that blames the Rothschilds, Soros and/or Israel for everything that’s wrong in the world?

 

[west didsblue]

In that case, couldn't the defence have brought her in if you felt they could have cast doubt on her credibility?

I think she would have to agree to be a defence witness which I would have thought was somewhat unlikely. Maybe someone with more knowledge of US law could confirm this?

 

[N1985]

Probably not the first but want to say it anyway, Maxwell didn’t kill herself.

Hopefully she/they does, slowly.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

For the record: I have no doubt that Epstein did commit all the crimes he was accused of. However, I'm not so sure about Maxwell.

The whole trial seemed really odd. Not much from the prosecution, no Roberts/Giuffre on the stand and a two day defence with Maxwell, also not on the stand.

I just have the feeling that she is paying the price that Epstein should be paying.

It’s irrelevant, Giuffre isn't the key witness that holds it altogether. The only thing interesting in her experience that didn't happen to the other girls is that she met Prince Andrew.

He isn't on trial here.

They abused dozens of girls but only the 5 strongest counts went to trial. Maxwell operated a pyramid scheme, all the prosecution needed to do was prove the existence of that scheme and that GM had the awareness of what these girls were actually doing with JE.

The short defense is all because of Maxwell and her attorney's chosen tactics. She chose to muddy the waters and use the false memory expert and she didn't testify because she believed the defense hadn't proved their case.

These people live in another world, they are sociopathic and immune from self-awareness. If she had any maybe she might have gone at it at a different angle and pretended to show contrition and sympathy for Epstein's victims and try to suggest he had duped her.

Couldn't have gone any worse than the tactics she actually used.

 

[Octavian]

sorry but this is a nonsense argument. Its like saying "why should we prosecute Nazi war criminals because really it was just Hitler to blame?". From what I followed, the prosecution case was very clear, she was up to her eyes in it, lived a luxury lifestyle on the back of vile sexual abuse and if not destroyed, then made her victims' lives very sad.

Not quite a good analogy. Hitler just made a hand gesture to give his approval for the Holocaust, those prosecuted afterwards actually put the plan into action for him and did the crimes.

That said, I disagree with the other guy and I think Maxwell is pretty guilty of grooming and should face a hefty sentence.