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Erling Haaland
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Semper aggressus
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Why would you ever want to bullshit someone to get them to come and work for you?
What do we have to bullshit about?
And why would you just outbid people?
If you hadn't noticed we've just won a double, followed by a treble, followed by who knows what this season if it had continued. We have the best facilities, management, squad and community development programmes around. We're a club run on trust and loyalty, if someone doesn't want to be part of it for whatever reason, we don't want them and don't need them at the club. We don't need to outbid teams because if players are interested primarily in lining their pockets, we don't want them and don't need them at our club. We have more than enough to offer to attract just about anyone in the world but unfortunately for us, so do Liverpool, Chelsea, United, Bayern, Barca, Real, Juventus etc...9/10 of the genuine players will choose with gut instinct, the others may have family reasons or a pre-existing relationship with managers/players that sways them.
Lying and offering them £500k a week is what desperate clubs do (e.g. United).
I agree with a lot of this in some respects, but I feel our advantage has been eroded this season, and we need to do whatever it takes to get ahead again. Nobody wants Utd and Liverpool spending £250m in summer and us battling for 3rd or 4th.
With players like Haaland and Sancho being potentially available and young enough to be world class for years, we should be going for them.
I would say we carry on doing what we've been doing for the last 10 years, its worked pretty blooming well.I agree with a lot of this in some respects, but I feel our advantage has been eroded this season, and we need to do whatever it takes to get ahead again. Nobody wants Utd and Liverpool spending £250m in summer and us battling for 3rd or 4th.
With players like Haaland and Sancho being potentially available and young enough to be world class for years, we should be going for them.
iwasthere1968
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I rather like the idea of rags spunking another £250m that they can't afford.I agree with a lot of this in some respects, but I feel our advantage has been eroded this season, and we need to do whatever it takes to get ahead again. Nobody wants Utd and Liverpool spending £250m in summer and us battling for 3rd or 4th.
With players like Haaland and Sancho being potentially available and young enough to be world class for years, we should be going for them.
simon23
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I rather like the idea of rags spunking another £250m that they can't afford.
not if it meant them getting Haaland - he is a game changer that kid
Haaland and Sancho might be perfect in terms of individual playing ability but that's only a small part of what makes a team. That's why we all love football because less physically and technically gifted players can form a team that is better than a group of the best 11 individual players in the world.I agree with a lot of this in some respects, but I feel our advantage has been eroded this season, and we need to do whatever it takes to get ahead again. Nobody wants Utd and Liverpool spending £250m in summer and us battling for 3rd or 4th.
With players like Haaland and Sancho being potentially available and young enough to be world class for years, we should be going for them.
Spunking bucket loads of money on individual superstars might work but it's a huge gamble, a huge gamble we don't have to take, United do to try and force their way back to competitiveness in a very quick timescale. However there's far more chance of it being unsuccessful and a waste of money as we've seen with Moyes, Van Haal and Mourinho. We did the same to get competitive before FFP kicked in, we had no choice but to gamble and we saw the turnover of players was unsustainable and lost us a lot of money.
We don't need to gamble now, we need to freshen the squad up a bit absolutely but we don't need to take huge risks which threaten to destroy the team spirit if you bring in players with different motivations than the players already onboard.
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Our advantage has been eroded because we can't get our best 11 on the pitch at the same time. Sane will be replaced, CB and potentially a LB and a midfielder.I agree with a lot of this in some respects, but I feel our advantage has been eroded this season, and we need to do whatever it takes to get ahead again. Nobody wants Utd and Liverpool spending £250m in summer and us battling for 3rd or 4th.
With players like Haaland and Sancho being potentially available and young enough to be world class for years, we should be going for them.
Sancho and Haaland won't move this summer, their agents will keep them ticking over and hoping for a huge Euro 2021 and the world to have recovered so there is more money moving.
simon23
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Haaland and Sancho might be perfect in terms of individual playing ability but that's only a small part of what makes a team. That's why we all love football because less physically and technically gifted players can form a team that is better than a group of the best 11 individual players in the world.
Spunking bucket loads of money on individual superstars might work but it's a huge gamble, a huge gamble we don't have to take, United do to try and force their way back to competitiveness in a very quick timescale. However there's far more chance of it being unsuccessful and a waste of money as we've seen with Moyes, Van Haal and Mourinho. We did the same to get competitive before FFP kicked in, we had no choice but to gamble and we saw the turnover of players was unsustainable and lost us a lot of money.
We don't need to gamble now, we need to freshen the squad up a bit absolutely but we don't need to take huge risks which threaten to destroy the team spirit if you bring in players with different motivations than the players already onboard.
but how do you know they wouldnt be good team players. - look at the changes in Kun since Pep arrived as well.....
All new players arriving are a gamble to some extent. No club/manager gets every transfer right.
Our advantage has been eroded because we can't get our best 11 on the pitch at the same time. Sane will be replaced, CB and potentially a LB and a midfielder.
Sancho and Haaland won't move this summer, their agents will keep them ticking over and hoping for a huge Euro 2021 and the world to have recovered so there is more money moving.
Nailed it mate. If we still had the Euros this summer, Sancho almost certainly would be moving but next summer is when Haaland's clause opens and Sancho will have probably another season under their belts. Dortmund will move them on and move on to the next big prospect to sell on. It's their club's way
I never said they wouldn't be good team players.but how do you know they wouldnt be good team players. - look at the changes in Kun since Pep arrived as well.....
All new players arriving are a gamble to some extent. No club/manager gets every transfer right.
I said it's a huge gamble throwing money at the situation. If the primary motivation for a player to join us was different to the primary motivation of the players we currently have in the squad it could potentially cause unrest and break the team spirit (e.g. Mancini treating Balotelli differently to other players, it worked for a short period and then the squad got pissed off). If everyone is not pulling in the same direction, problems will happen, it's just a matter of time.
simon23
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I never said they wouldn't be good team players.
I said it's a huge gamble throwing money at the situation. If the primary motivation for a player to join us was different to the primary motivation of the players we currently have in the squad it could potentially cause unrest and break the team spirit (e.g. Mancini treating Balotelli differently to other players, it worked for a short period and then the squad got pissed off). If everyone is not pulling in the same direction, problems will happen, it's just a matter of time.
like i said - all players are gambles - and the vast majority of top players to attract them you are going to have to throw money at to come regardless
I completely agree, every transfer is a gamble. My post was in reply to someone specifically saying we should just outbid everyone and 'lie' to players to get them to come, so I was stating why that's absolutely the wrong thing to do in my opinion. So I think there's a slight misunderstanding contextually of how you've interpreted my post, that's not a problem, just so you know where I'm coming from.like i said - all players are gambles - and the vast majority of top players to attract them you are going to have to throw money at to come regardless
simon23
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I completely agree, every transfer is a gamble. My post was in reply to someone specifically saying we should just outbid everyone and 'lie' to players to get them to come, so I was stating why that's absolutely the wrong thing to do in my opinion. So I think there's a slight misunderstanding contextually of how you've interpreted my post, that's not a problem, just so you know where I'm coming from.
thats cool....you are right, we defintely shouldnt be lying - that would get us nowhere - but outbidding opponents we may have to do
To replace the likes of Kompany, Aguero, Sane, Ferna we may have to do that or settle falling behind our main competitors. I believe we have wasted money on the likes of Mahrez and Mendy as well - neither have added much added quality over the space of their time here...
MCFC_ Phil
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You serious about Mahrez? Mendy just been unlucky, perfect Pep signingthats cool....you are right, we defintely shouldnt be lying - that would get us nowhere - but outbidding opponents we may have to do
To replace the likes of Kompany, Aguero, Sane, Ferna we may have to do that or settle falling behind our main competitors. I believe we have wasted money on the likes of Mahrez and Mendy as well - neither have added much added quality over the space of their time here...
We do have a differing opinion in that respect, we don't have to outbid anyone as far as I'm concerned. We make a fair offer to the selling club and a fair offer to the player/agent in terms of wages; if the player genuinely wants to come to City, he will. Much like how Sane seems to have his heart set on Bayern, much like how Rodri seemed to have his heart set on coming to City last summer.thats cool....you are right, we defintely shouldnt be lying - that would get us nowhere - but outbidding opponents we may have to do
To replace the likes of Kompany, Aguero, Sane, Ferna we may have to do that or settle falling behind our main competitors. I believe we have wasted money on the likes of Mahrez and Mendy as well - neither have added much added quality over the space of their time here...
Yes it means we'll miss out of the likes of Jorginho, Sanchez and Pogba etc. but that's not exactly done us any harm.
The striking thing with your post is the players you name; Kompany, Aguero, Sane and Fernandinho. We didn't exactly pay stupid fees or wages for any of those guys, so what makes you think we need to for their replacements?
MCFC_ Phil
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Hope so. Him and Jesus rotating, put the fear of god up em2023-24 he’ll be ours
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Missed our chance to get him. All the other clubs will be rimming his agent and breaking the bank for him next summer. Would have been an outstanding player under Pep.
simon23
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We do have a differing opinion in that respect, we don't have to outbid anyone as far as I'm concerned. We make a fair offer to the selling club and a fair offer to the player/agent in terms of wages; if the player genuinely wants to come to City, he will. Much like how Sane seems to have his heart set on Bayern, much like how Rodri seemed to have his heart set on coming to City last summer.
Yes it means we'll miss out of the likes of Jorginho, Sanchez and Pogba etc. but that's not exactly done us any harm.
The striking thing with your post is the players you name; Kompany, Aguero, Sane and Fernandinho. We didn't exactly pay stupid fees or wages for any of those guys, so what makes you think we need to for their replacements?
because the market has changed and in recent years (since those sighings) we dont seem to have been that shrewd tbh
Positives
Laporte - will turn out to be a bargain.
Brnardo Silva - worth every penny and more
to be seen
Rodri - probably worth what we paid but not a bargain
Not worth it"
Danillo - I thought he was decent but obviously didnt want to be here
Mahrez - Dont believe he will be worth the money
Cancello - not expensive but doesnt seem to have been worth it and wants to leave
Mendy - absolutely not worth the money we paid for him
Angelino - playing wise not worth it but will make us money I suppose
Ive not included Scott Carson - as complete unknown and hasnt cost us anything
Who are the other recent signings? I cant think of any others that have been signed in the same time frame
simon23
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You serious about Mahrez? Mendy just been unlucky, perfect Pep signing
I personally think Mendy is bang average and a defensive liability but I know others rate him - he has been unlucky with injuries BUT I dont think he has ever been defensively sound
Yes Im serious about Mahrez - just think he is a good player but in comparrison to the likes of Sergio, Sterling Bernardo Silva KDB and even Sane - I would not put him on the level of those players - not on a regular basis - he clearly has that level in him BUT he hides/disappears too often - he is rarely a game changer
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