Etihad Atmosphere - 2022/23

[Manchester33]

I think you’re missing the point. It’s about the atmosphere inside the stadium. No point giving it large and singing your heart out outside the ground when you’re quiet as a mouse inside. How does that help the team ?

I agree with you, but I get what @Dodge is saying too.

One thing our fans are good at is making the 'away experience' quite horrible inside the Etihad, especially in the lower tier. We give their fans loads of grief, wind them up, and intimidate them. If you have ultras on the opposite end of the ground singing their 18th verse of a Barbara Streisand song you lose that.

I noticed there was a period in the game on Tuesday when we were holding possession. After a minute or so, their ultras stopped their song and commanded the rest of the stadium to start whistling, which they did, and it was bloody loud. But it felt so robotic. I'm sure it's effective, and it will definitely help their team, but it's a bit weird and not really 'special'.

I know it's completely different types of games, but our atmosphere vs Real Madrid last year blows that out the water for me.

But we could follow the lead of a Celtic/Rangers (who have the noisiest support in the world) and try to emulate an ultras lead, British atmosphere.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

I think it is more to do with for some reason ss1 does not travel well up into ss3.
Agree though ss3 has been great so far this season bar an average day yesterday.

There does seem a 'travel' issue between SS1 & SS3 but, it doesn't seem to be an issue in the away fans part.

Maybe part of the issue is SS1 singers are mainly at the back of the level so the sound gets 'trapped' under the SS2 overhang?

 

[LEXSTARproject]

It was a lot more than 5% of the yellow wall that was singing. And it was a significant chunk of that wall in the middle jumping up and down creating a great atmosphere. The periodic back and forth between the stands was also great. Credit where credit is due...

I don't think it is just down to our ground, most grounds are the same in the UK. We should be looking at clubs where it works and ask ourselves why.

Personally I think a large factor is the ability to drink in the stand and the ability to easily get beer around the ground at Dortmund that contributes to a buzzing atmosphere. All standing also is a factor because if you want a good position you have to get there early. Even the City standing area was packed an hour before kick off. People won't want to do that if they can't have their beer with them and take 6 in at a time like last night.

Of course there is a counter angle here, people with beer need to behave, especially in a standing section but maybe if people don't feel like they need to neck 6 pints before kick off there would be less problems.

Transport is also something we can learn from. Yup, I hear trains were crap last night, not the usual German efficiency expected, but bottom line it is free for most of them. Couple that with lots of free parking around, scooters to hire, etc, just makes it easier on people's wallets so they don't have to make a choice.

So maybe extend the north stand into a proper home stand with all standing, much cheaper seats, change the rules on beer and sort out transportation such that there is an incentive to stay or get there early.

Well said, again the BT commentators picking up on the atmosphere at the ground just like they did at the last match. If you watch any EPL expect maybe Crystal Palace and Leicester which have introduced drums and capo stands so helping to try to create an atmosphere at their grounds. All over Europe, there has been a move to have noisy fans sections(ultra fans) to help create noise in the stadiums these sections have flares and TIFO and flag waving the germans have shown the way forward regarding this with most every stadium being developed in the world just now having a Yellow Wall section.

 

[Manchester33]

These videos explain what I mean about Celtic's support quite well. They are ultras led, but the rest of the stadium contributes to it in a different way compared to on the continent. The roar as the players come out the tunnel (and when the Champions League jingle kicks in) are brilliant and would really boost the players.


Celtic Pre Match Atmosphere vs Donetsk

Not as good quality but again, pre-match vs Donetsk

 

[LEXSTARproject]

I'm not saying the style of support is either good or bad. I know it's very contentious amongst our fanbase. But if you have 5/10 mins, watch this video of the game last night and the fan engagement around the stadium in Dortmund.


The vlogger is sitting in the equivalent of ESL2 on the halfway line. Look at the demographic of fans there. Look how engaged they are, what they are wearing, and how noisy they are. That's what we lack. If people in all four stands participated more frequently, we would have a great atmosphere.

And before people talk about drums and types of songs, I don't mean that in isolation. I mean whistling, booing, shouting, clapping, waving scarves etc.

The only way that we can improve on that is to just do it. If you're in a quiet section of the ground, do your bit to make it more noisey. Until that happens there are always going to be debates about which musical instrument should be brought in to resolve our issues.

Well said Manchester33 , you are so spot on

 

[LEXSTARproject]

If we had a stand which was loud and vocal more people would be encouraged to join in when I was at a Barca game the ultras started a chant and it travelled throughout the entire stadium. Ultras do work English just hate being told what to do and are also much laid back so it definitely is a challenge to get a consistent atmosphere from any English side

Spot on Elliot

 

[LEXSTARproject]

These videos explain what I mean about Celtic's support quite well. They are ultras led, but the rest of the stadium contributes to it in a different way compared to on the continent. The roar as the players come out the tunnel (and when the Champions League jingle kicks in) are brilliant and would really boost the players.


Celtic Pre Match Atmosphere vs Donetsk

Not as good quality but again, pre-match vs Donetsk

Well said Manchester 33 The first video is from the Green Brigade section of Celtic Park they have a Capo Stand at the front with two guys in there. Rangers have now copied this with their fans

 

[LEXSTARproject]

I disagree with this. I think it's a loose stereotype. We like to think we don't, but we absolutely love being told what to do.

That's why we don't have ultras. Instead, we have nice, friendly, sit-down, and shut-up spectators.

There are loud fans who say "Don't bring a fucking drum" and everyone says "ok let's do exactly what that person said".

If we truly hated being told what to do we'd have people bringing drums in and being rowdier because we wouldn't care about what people said (e.g. don't bring drums, sit down, stop shouting so loud).

I think the reality is that we are creatures of habit, and we're stuck in the habit of being quiet supporters who arrive late and leave early.

We just have to start small and change the culture at the club. If we get 50 lads together who sing constantly and share the same vision of a better atmosphere, then that will grow to 500, then 5k. But getting 50 people together, who actually sings is really difficult with our fanbase. I've been trying to get that 50 together for some time and the reality is, we can't scale past 15 or so consistent people.

Manchester 33 you are spot on again with what you are saying

 

[Man-chester copperpot]

These videos explain what I mean about Celtic's support quite well. They are ultras led, but the rest of the stadium contributes to it in a different way compared to on the continent. The roar as the players come out the tunnel (and when the Champions League jingle kicks in) are brilliant and would really boost the players.


Celtic Pre Match Atmosphere vs Donetsk

Not as good quality but again, pre-match vs Donetsk

I agree with the atmosphere at Celtic.
But you have to put it into context,without offending the teams/fans in scotland, Celtic play the likes of St Johnstone, Kilmarnock, Motherwell & St Mirren week in and week out.
So when they come up against Champions league teams and Rangers twice per season, they are creme de le creme of games and of course your going to have the best of atmosphere’s.

What are the displays/atmosphere like when Dundee United rock up? (Honest question)

On the flip side, we play United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool and then we play Sevilla/Copenhagen you can see why the difference in atmsophere’s.

Now if Inter/Madrid/Napoli rock up to the Etihad in the quarter/semi finals of the Champions league - then we would match any atmosphere from any game at Celtic Park.

 

[supercity88]

I think you’re missing the point. It’s about the atmosphere inside the stadium. No point giving it large and singing your heart out outside the ground when you’re quiet as a mouse inside. How does that help the team ?

I don't think singing 20 verses of the same song makes a difference either. It's just background noise then. I much prefer the way Palace coordinate their songs to reflect the game, or the way Celtic do. It's more natural. Booing the fuck out of Liverpool when they had the ball and then sporadic roaring when City were on the charge, that audible difference boosts the team more than 20 rounds of the same song.