Etihad Atmosphere - 2022/23

[Didsbury Dave]

Trying to answer your points:

1 (fans not bothered about points): maybe, but if not there are other ideas, maybe half price beer at the next game, discount on your season ticket etc.

2 (impossible to stop abuse): not sure why it would be impossible (and would hardly need to be policed overzealously). Tickets are linked to phones now, so don’t think you’d get one lad scanning all his mates tickets long after they’d gone.

3 (discriminated against those with disability/valid reason to leave early): there can’t be loads of people in that position. Just give them the points if they have a valid medical reason (or better yet, make attending football more accessible for them so they can watch a full game).

4 (technology/crowd control): in theory (as someone who works in software), it wouldn’t be incredibly difficult to code something. Similar scanning terminals and infrastructure already exists like on the Met. The club may not want to invest into the idea, but I do think it would keep more fans in the ground. Depends how much they value that?

It’s a massive task fraught with costs and difficulties that will never be implemented in my opinion. It was difficult enough getting 50,000 into a stadium with their phones let alone having them scan them on the way out when everyone’s running for buses etc. We had to have marquees set up for help, extra staff around turnstiles,
. the phone lines were blocked for weeks Etc. Whilst I appreciate you being creative there’s no chance of anything like this ever happening mate. It’s all headache and no return.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Brentford in west london have a near full stadium at the end of every game giving the team a lap of honor. look how great it was when everyone stayed against Fulham the players loved it we cant tell people what to do but the facts are it looks sh*t when players clap to empty stands

That’s one team living their premier league dream and I’ve no idea whether it’s true or not because I only watch their high profile games, not their Wednesday night 0-0 against Aston Villa. One club doesn’t back up your point that we are the worst in the country.

It doesn’t “look shit” to me so that’s an opinion not a fact.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Who mentioned turnstiles?

Wherever you put them with 50-60,000 people leaving all at exactly the same minute it’s not possible. You’ve seen people arsing around trying to get their phone to beep or with paper tickets on the way in, and that’s with a crowd staggered steadily over 30-45 minutes walking at a fairly relaxed pace and with dozens of stewards standing around.

 

[The Colonel]

Let me guess, you're in SSL3 and he was in the bottom tier?

SSL2

 

[shazzell]

What the south stand sing often doesn’t reflect what’s happening on the pitch or the mood of the ground. What your describing summed up the situation today.

Chants like follow, follow aren’t bad, but they just don’t sing enough of the classic city songs.

Some of the best atmosphere we’ve had recently it’s ss3 leading the ground and even the family stand at times

As a family stand st holder,my wife and i always sing,chant and get behind the team.it does frustate at times when people just do. Nowt,
but i do think we need new chants for the current players, but the old retro chants for city.

 

[pirate]

Brentford in west london have a near full stadium at the end of every game giving the team a lap of honor. look how great it was when everyone stayed against Fulham the players loved it we cant tell people what to do but the facts are it looks sh*t when players clap to empty stands

not really comparable.
if our capacity was 17,000 then there wouldnt be the issues with congestion

 

[Mr Edward's shoe mirror]

So away fans are always louder. Why is that? Because they are mostly lads on the beer all day. They are singing when they get off the mini buses and coaches, they sing all the way into the ground, sing on the concourse, sing before the teams come out. Sing all the way through the match and after.

So why doesn't this happen with the home fans? There are still groups of lads going to the match together. Singing on mini buses and trams, singing on the way into the ground, but then something different happens. They all go and split up into different parts of the stadium. Not all together, like the away fans.

So make an away end at home. One section of the ground, with safe standing. It doesn't have to be huge, 3 to 5 thousand seats. But it has to be for the same lads who go to away games. Who like a beer and want to sing non stop. And what invariably happens is that the rest of the stand that they are situated in, joins in as well. So you end up with 10 to 15 thousand all singing the same song at the same time, which is loud as fuck. The rest of the stadium can have their canapes and prosecco, or pay a grand to see footballers picking their noses, but that one section will always set the tone for the atmosphere.

If you've ever been to one of those domestic cup games where the away fans get 10 thousand seats, it is so impressive when they all join in at the same time.

 

[Northblue]

You honestly think without exit doors and everyone having to scan out through turnstiles things would go smoothly? How many turnstiles are there at the bottom of each of the slopes, two is it?

Why do you need turnstiles? I think the idea would be scanners dotted about like on the met, scan out if you want the points or don’t you’re still free to leave whenever

 

[PPT]

It’s better to use a carrot rather than a stick to motivate people…

You could do a scanner that gives out 20 loyalty points that is only on 30 minutes before kick off and 5 minutes after the final whistle.

Then fans who are making more of an effort get rewarded and better chance to get tickets to away games.

There’s loads of incentives you could build into it.

So what happens if I arrive 40 minutes before kick off and want to clap every single player off the pitch and be the last person out of the stadium, so leave 20 minutes after the final whistle because I am a super fan - I don't get any points but you do?

 

[Manchester33]

So what happens if I arrive 40 minutes before kick off and want to clap every single player off the pitch and be the last person out of the stadium, so leave 20 minutes after the final whistle because I am a super fan - I don't get any points but you do?

Reread my original post. You would get points for being early and for staying to the end. You're literally describing behavior that my idea would reward.

 

[Manchester33]

It’s a massive task fraught with costs and difficulties that will never be implemented in my opinion. It was difficult enough getting 50,000 into a stadium with their phones let alone having them scan them on the way out when everyone’s running for buses etc. We had to have marquees set up for help, extra staff around turnstiles,
. the phone lines were blocked for weeks Etc. Whilst I appreciate you being creative there’s no chance of anything like this ever happening mate. It’s all headache and no return.

I agree that in practice it's not going to be implemented. I don't think the club care about early leavers enough to justify the outlay, but from a technical and logistical perspective there's no reason why it couldn't happen and I do think it would mean more people staying until the end of the games.

Just to clarify, the system wouldn't be related to turnstiles in any way. The club would have to use something like the 'get me there scanner' (picture attached) that Metrolink uses. They could have hundreds dotted around the stadium/concourse that scan a QR code on your phone (literally takes 1 second to do). They are only active until 30 mins before KO and 5 minutes after FT.

It would be a completely voluntary exercise, so anyone in a rush/disinterested doesn't have to interact in any way, it would make no difference to their match day experience.

There's also an argument to say, after the initial outlay, this could generate money in the long term - fans in and around the stadium spend more money. This scheme would encourage more fans to get in early who'll buy food/drink/merchandise (which means they can sublet the catering facilities for a higher fee moving forward).


Anyway, it's just an idea of what we COULD do, but completely agree, the club wouldn't do it because it's not a high enough priority.

 

[Corky]

I agree that in practice it's not going to be implemented. I don't think the club care about early leavers enough to justify the outlay, but from a technical and logistical perspective there's no reason why it couldn't happen and I do think it would mean more people staying until the end of the games.

Just to clarify, the system wouldn't be related to turnstiles in any way. The club would have to use something like the 'get me there scanner' (picture attached) that Metrolink uses. They could have hundreds dotted around the stadium/concourse that scan a QR code on your phone (literally takes 1 second to do). They are only active until 30 mins before KO and 5 minutes after FT.

It would be a completely voluntary exercise, so anyone in a rush/disinterested doesn't have to interact in any way, it would make no difference to their match day experience.

There's also an argument to say, after the initial outlay, this could generate money in the long term - fans in and around the stadium spend more money. This scheme would encourage more fans to get in early who'll buy food/drink/merchandise (which means they can sublet the catering facilities for a higher fee moving forward).


Anyway, it's just an idea of what we COULD do, but completely agree, the club wouldn't do it because it's not a high enough priority.

Can you scan me out please?

 

[eastmanc]

There were around 20 fellas in SS3 bar 15 mins into 2nd half on Sunday. Missed two goals and probably all three.

It's weird isn't it, you pay for a ticket or a season ticket, and you want to stay downstairs have a pint. Why not miss out the middle man and stay in the pub.

 

[Stephen230]

It's weird isn't it, you pay for a ticket or a season ticket, and you want to stay downstairs have a pint. Why not miss out the middle man and stay in the pub.

You won’t get tickets for Old Trafford by doing that. Where incidentally the bar was about six deep 15 minutes before half time. I guess people are different.

 

[Edghill OG]

It's weird isn't it, you pay for a ticket or a season ticket, and you want to stay downstairs have a pint. Why not miss out the middle man and stay in the pub.

It's very odd indeed. Those arriving late to their seats for kick off, those leaving for the 30 minute pint, those arriving late for the second half and those leaving early before full time or a combination of the lot. Don't get their indifference they can't be that interested in the football. The tourists get moaned about on here but I don't think they are the one's doing it.

 

[eastmanc]

It's very odd indeed. Those arriving late to their seats for kick off, those leaving for the 30 minute pint, those arriving late for the second half and those leaving early before full time or a combination of the lot. Don't get the indifference and can't be that interested in the football. The tourists get moaned about on here but I don't think they are the one's doing it.

Drives me mad at the game up and down like a fiddlers elbow, craning your neck to see.

 

[jrb]

I scan in and out at the start and end of my shift on work. That's enough scanning for me, bar scanning to get into the Etihad.

Whilst we're on the subject of missing parts of the game.

I missed all 3 goals on Sunday. Lol! (f*cking nob jrb!!) Due to getting a pint before half-time and drinking it slowly afterwards, into the 2nd half.

Not drinking on Friday night. ;-)

 

[James2401125]

Looking forward to Friday, atmosphere should be good 7k arsenal two teams both bang at it! Come on City

 

[LongsightM13]

It's very odd indeed. Those arriving late to their seats for kick off, those leaving for the 30 minute pint, those arriving late for the second half and those leaving early before full time or a combination of the lot. Don't get the indifference and can't be that interested in the football. The tourists get moaned about on here but I don't think they are the one's doing it.

No, a guy on my row has been watching an hour of football maximum every game since we moved into the new ground. Obviously an alcy

 

[citymad]

With nearly 8000 Gooners coming it’s going to seem like a home game for their team. Their fans have seemingly found their voices this season, they’ll be making plenty of noise. It’s for top games like this why we need a proper singing section. Hopefully we’ll see the fans coming out of their shell and comfort zone and give plenty of support for Pep and the team.