Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

[Chippy_boy]

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And why is this relevant? The West Midlands region includes not only the WM metropolitan county, but also Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire and Herefordshire. The proper comparison is with the North West region, which includes Cheshire, Lancashire and Cumbria as well as GM and Merseyside.



Probably twice as big? By what measure? By population, the difference is minimal - around 50K.

And by area, GM is actually bigger.

Source - <a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_counties" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_counties</a>

I appreciate that linking to Wikipedia isn't ideal, but the ONS site doesn't contain lists, only zip files that you have to download. The Wiki page does contain accurate information based on the zip files, however.

The fact is that there's very little difference between GM and the WM in these terms. The single difference is that the area covered by Manchester City Council contains a population about half as big as that living within the jurisdiction of Birmingham City Council. To my mind, this is a historical accident that really counts for very little in the modern world.

Now, I don't have anything against Birmingham or its people. And I think 'Second City' debates are a bit of a waste of time - the big provincial cities IMO should work with one another to lobby for a less centralised system, rather than bothering themselves with trivialities like this.

But I have met several Brummies in my time who take the view that their city is much bigger and thus more important than Manchester. It's a fallacy in my book and it irritates me.

What a strange post. You pick over every word I said apart from the last part, "I think they are probably pretty similar tbf." - Which you seem to agree with.

Do you just like arguing?

Why's it a strange post? Lengthy extracts of your were based on ignorant assumptions. I gave you the facts.

Are people confusing me with someone else?

I only wrote 4 lines, 2 of which were completely uncontentious and simply said I've seen stats showing either region to be larger or more populous and that personally i suspect there's not much in it. I am not aware of any "lengthy" bits to take extracts from!

I really have no strong views on any of this.

 

[EricBrooksGhost]

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How can Birmingham be a second city when its only thriving industry is speech therapy?

 

[Shaelumstash]

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Yeh but the major difference is that anywhere within a few miles of the M25 is considered London by it's inhabitants, and the rest of the world. Manchester still suffers from the parochialism of people who live outside of the actual city of Manchester. Especially Salford residents, many get offended at being called Mancunian, despite Salford having no city centre of it's own. Similarly Bolton, Rochdale, Oldham, Stockport etc, some people consider themselves Lancastrian or whatever.

The City region with the 10 councils working together, essentially makes up Manchester as a city now in all but name. If it was London, or any US city, Salford would be considered an area of Manchester. It is increasingly being viewed as that by everyone except many of it's older residents who can't let go of old fashioned local identity.

I generally agree but even in Greater London there are still outlying areas such as Croydon where some older folk don't see themselves as
"Londoners". The "London" identity is more prevalent down there though than the "Manchester" identity is here, that I don't deny.
What is also undeniable though is that the "Birmingham identity" ends pretty much at the city boundaries. One of the main reasons
Brummies argue about "city" population rather than "city region" population is that they know that they are on very sticky ground lumping
Wolverhampton and the Black Country in with themselves. Birmingham was never the centre of it's region in the way that Manchester is and
was in the past (cotton industry).Birmingham's economy was based on precision engineering whereas the Black Country was
heavier industries and coal mining. Even to this day the Black Country forms a separate Travel to Work Area from Birmingham.
For me the fact that there is such hostility to adopting the name Greater Birmingham within the West Midlands is proof enough that
Manchester is bigger and more important.

To be honest it's funny you should mention Croydon because I had a friend from there and I used to take the piss that it was in Surrey and not in London, but he definitely considered it London. It's on the London overground, is a couple of stops from Brixton. Kate Moss is from there and worldwide she's definitely considered to be from London. Crystal Palace is considered to be a London club much more than say Wigan is considered a Manchester one.

 

[JOGAMIGMOG]

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As soon as the train rises above ground you're outside London. Cockneys live within the tube underground whereas Mancs live within the M60 ringroad.

 

[Bovril]

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As soon as the train rises above ground you're outside London. Cockneys live within the tube underground whereas Mancs live within the M60 ringroad.

Utter Bollocks the M60 has only existed 15 years, I live about 1/2 mile outside and 3 Miles from the Etihad I consider myself 100% Mancunian and always will be !!

 

[Chancy Termites]

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Just stick with this one I suppose;

List of urban areas in the United Kingdom
...
"..the definition follows a ‘bricks and mortar’ approach, with areas defined as built-up land with a minimum area of 20 hectares (200,000 m2), while settlements within 200 metres of each other are linked. Built-up area sub-divisions are also identified to provide greater detail in the data, especially in the larger conurbations."
...
Rank Built-up area[4] Population
(2011 Census)

Area (km²) Density (People/km²) Major subdivisions Metropolitan Area[5] Notable changes between 2001 and 2011 censuses [6]
1 Greater London Built-up area 9,787,426 1,737.9 5,630 London Boroughs, Hemel Hempstead, Watford, Woking, Harlow, St Albans, Bracknell London The addition of Guildford, Harlow, Bracknell and St Albans
2 Greater Manchester Built-up area 2,553,379 630.3 4,051 Manchester, Salford, Bolton, Stockport, Oldham, Rochdale, Bury, Trafford, Tameside Manchester The addition of Golborne, Glossop and Newton-le-Willows
3 West Midlands Built-up area 2,440,986 598.9 4,076 Birmingham, Wolverhampton, West Bromwich, Dudley, Walsall, Solihull Birmingham
4 West Yorkshire Built-up area 1,777,934 487.8 3,645 Leeds, Bradford, Wakefield, Huddersfield, Dewsbury, Keighley, Halifax Leeds-Bradford The addition of Halifax
5 Glasgow 1,209,143 368.5 3,390 Glasgow, Paisley, Clydebank
6 Liverpool Built-up area 864,122 199.6 4,329

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_in_the_United_Kingdom

 

[Marvin]

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Just stick with this one I suppose;

List of urban areas in the United Kingdom
...
"..the definition follows a ‘bricks and mortar’ approach, with areas defined as built-up land with a minimum area of 20 hectares (200,000 m2), while settlements within 200 metres of each other are linked. Built-up area sub-divisions are also identified to provide greater detail in the data, especially in the larger conurbations."
...
Rank Built-up area[4] Population
(2011 Census)

Area (km²) Density (People/km²) Major subdivisions Metropolitan Area[5] Notable changes between 2001 and 2011 censuses [6]
1 Greater London Built-up area 9,787,426 1,737.9 5,630 London Boroughs, Hemel Hempstead, Watford, Woking, Harlow, St Albans, Bracknell London The addition of Guildford, Harlow, Bracknell and St Albans
2 Greater Manchester Built-up area 2,553,379 630.3 4,051 Manchester, Salford, Bolton, Stockport, Oldham, Rochdale, Bury, Trafford, Tameside Manchester The addition of Golborne, Glossop and Newton-le-Willows
3 West Midlands Built-up area 2,440,986 598.9 4,076 Birmingham, Wolverhampton, West Bromwich, Dudley, Walsall, Solihull Birmingham
4 West Yorkshire Built-up area 1,777,934 487.8 3,645 Leeds, Bradford, Wakefield, Huddersfield, Dewsbury, Keighley, Halifax Leeds-Bradford The addition of Halifax
5 Glasgow 1,209,143 368.5 3,390 Glasgow, Paisley, Clydebank
6 Liverpool Built-up area 864,122 199.6 4,329

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_in_the_United_Kingdom

See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities_and_second_largest_cities_by_country

Wiki regards Manchester as England's 2nd City

Pedantics could make an argument based on the definition of a City. Where do you draw the line? Continuous built-up area seems logical.

 

[worsleyweb]

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Taking the kids on the stadium tour at one today! Looking forward to it.

 

[HelloCity]

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Taking the kids on the stadium tour at one today! Looking forward to it.

Worsely, will new turnstyles be built into the new front wall or will they keep the existing ones and have it so you buzz in inside the front part of the stand?

 

[Citizen Green]

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Taking the kids on the stadium tour at one today! Looking forward to it.

Worsely, will new turnstyles be built into the new front wall or will they keep the existing ones and have it so you buzz in inside the front part of the stand?

My entrance to the South Stand 2nd tier is slowly being dissembled judging by the lay out before the Hull game, I think we'll have a similar lay out to the Wembley one.