Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

[GeekinGav]

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The debate about second City should be over. Manchester is racing ahead of Birmingham in so many areas. The status of the football clubs is an accurate reflwction of the status which the two cities are seen by investors.

For those interested in this type of thing - have a look at jrbs Sky scraper City manchester website!

Some major announcement at media city will be made next week! The city is doing very well at the moment.

doesn't it go off the population numbers .... does Birmingham still have more people living there and anywhere outside of London?

 

[jrb]

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Worsley is right as regards Manchester and Birmingham.

Birmingham is the 2nd city in all but name and population.

TBF it's not my website. :-(

However, I've been posting on there for well over 10 years and have amassed 34,000+ posts.

Everything and anything you need to know about (Gtr) Manchester and what's going on as regards property development, residential, offices, Hotels, transport, leisure, etc, is there.

Looking forward to the Salford Quays/Mediacity announcements next week. :-)

Just to back up what Worsley has posted, nq(forum member) posted this earlier this week.

[bigimg]http://i.imgur.com/6RwkW52.jpg[/bigimg]

<a class="postlink" href="https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regeneration-project-media-city-salford-gdv-1000m/regeneration-project-media-city-salford-gdv-1000m" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... -gdv-1000m</a>

 

[somapop]

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The debate about second City should be over. Manchester is racing ahead of Birmingham in so many areas. The status of the football clubs is an accurate reflwction of the status which the two cities are seen by investors.

For those interested in this type of thing - have a look at jrbs Sky scraper City manchester website!

Some major announcement at media city will be made next week! The city is doing very well at the moment.

doesn't it go off the population numbers .... does Birmingham still have more people living there and anywhere outside of London?

Has a larger authorative boundary/area tis all really. Centrally, Manchester doesn't include Salford and (ahem) Trafford in its population... Salford is partially in Manchester's city centre.

Along with the two football teams, there's also Manchester airport of which there is no rival ( by a long way) outside of London.

I thought that Media city figure related to the current status investment initially, but it now sounds like a new project there. Pinewood perhaps?

 

[Chippy_boy]

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The West Midlands region is enormous compared to Greater Manchester.

And why is this relevant? The West Midlands region includes not only the WM metropolitan county, but also Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire and Herefordshire. The proper comparison is with the North West region, which includes Cheshire, Lancashire and Cumbria as well as GM and Merseyside.

The West Midlands county is not as big, but probably still 2x the size of Greater Manchester.

Probably twice as big? By what measure? By population, the difference is minimal - around 50K.

And by area, GM is actually bigger.

Source - <a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_counties" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_counties</a>

I appreciate that linking to Wikipedia isn't ideal, but the ONS site doesn't contain lists, only zip files that you have to download. The Wiki page does contain accurate information based on the zip files, however.

The fact is that there's very little difference between GM and the WM in these terms. The single difference is that the area covered by Manchester City Council contains a population about half as big as that living within the jurisdiction of Birmingham City Council. To my mind, this is a historical accident that really counts for very little in the modern world.

Now, I don't have anything against Birmingham or its people. And I think 'Second City' debates are a bit of a waste of time - the big provincial cities IMO should work with one another to lobby for a less centralised system, rather than bothering themselves with trivialities like this.

But I have met several Brummies in my time who take the view that their city is much bigger and thus more important than Manchester. It's a fallacy in my book and it irritates me.

What a strange post. You pick over every word I said apart from the last part, "I think they are probably pretty similar tbf." - Which you seem to agree with.

Do you just like arguing?

 

[Shaelumstash]

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^^ Arguably detrimental to investment in the city too (I say arguably as it seems to be doing very well investment wise).
Going on the population within the 'city wall' makes Manchester appear as the Uk's 6/7th City in terms of size.
I think the 'Manchester City region' population is being more and more used and gives a more truthful account (again, similar to London City and it's various boroughs).

Yeh but the major difference is that anywhere within a few miles of the M25 is considered London by it's inhabitants, and the rest of the world. Manchester still suffers from the parochialism of people who live outside of the actual city of Manchester. Especially Salford residents, many get offended at being called Mancunian, despite Salford having no city centre of it's own. Similarly Bolton, Rochdale, Oldham, Stockport etc, some people consider themselves Lancastrian or whatever.

The City region with the 10 councils working together, essentially makes up Manchester as a city now in all but name. If it was London, or any US city, Salford would be considered an area of Manchester. It is increasingly being viewed as that by everyone except many of it's older residents who can't let go of old fashioned local identity.

 

[coleridge]

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The debate about second City should be over. Manchester is racing ahead of Birmingham in so many areas. The status of the football clubs is an accurate reflwction of the status which the two cities are seen by investors.

For those interested in this type of thing - have a look at jrbs Sky scraper City manchester website!

Some major announcement at media city will be made next week! The city is doing very well at the moment.

doesn't it go off the population numbers .... does Birmingham still have more people living there and anywhere outside of London?

I am not anti-Brum. Was there for Uni stuff for around five years and lived in the city centre, campus, Handsworth [awful place!] and Kings Heath [ace - a bit like Dids]. Good town and good people.

However, Manchester wins on many levels, not least the financial, professional services and media sectors. In my industry, e.g., London law firms are moving up with their financial divisions and so a mini square mile is being created around Spinningfields.

We must also get away from this idea of City boundaries and focus on 'Metropolitan Areas' which is now the global economic measure and how all big cities market themselves now. That makes Manchester bigger than Brum, in my view.

Finally, the importance of the international airport can barely be overstated. It must have been a significant factor in the ADUG takeover.

 

[grim up north]

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^^ Arguably detrimental to investment in the city too (I say arguably as it seems to be doing very well investment wise).
Going on the population within the 'city wall' makes Manchester appear as the Uk's 6/7th City in terms of size.
I think the 'Manchester City region' population is being more and more used and gives a more truthful account (again, similar to London City and it's various boroughs).

Yeh but the major difference is that anywhere within a few miles of the M25 is considered London by it's inhabitants, and the rest of the world. Manchester still suffers from the parochialism of people who live outside of the actual city of Manchester. Especially Salford residents, many get offended at being called Mancunian, despite Salford having no city centre of it's own. Similarly Bolton, Rochdale, Oldham, Stockport etc, some people consider themselves Lancastrian or whatever.

The City region with the 10 councils working together, essentially makes up Manchester as a city now in all but name. If it was London, or any US city, Salford would be considered an area of Manchester. It is increasingly being viewed as that by everyone except many of it's older residents who can't let go of old fashioned local identity.

I'm sure kippax citizen will be along shortly to give us a history lesson -:)

 

[coleridge]

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Sorry to bang, but a couple of minor points.

Isn't the 'Etihad Airport Campus' over 30 acres yet to be developed? I am certainly aware that Airport City is growing exponentially.

Second, Greater Manchester is set to be become it's own economic semi-autonomous area, and backed and funded by the UK government. It'll be the first in the UK, I believe. So, even London knows that we are the [nominally] second most important centre for the UK economy.

 

[somapop]

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^^ Arguably detrimental to investment in the city too (I say arguably as it seems to be doing very well investment wise).
Going on the population within the 'city wall' makes Manchester appear as the Uk's 6/7th City in terms of size.
I think the 'Manchester City region' population is being more and more used and gives a more truthful account (again, similar to London City and it's various boroughs).

Yeh but the major difference is that anywhere within a few miles of the M25 is considered London by it's inhabitants, and the rest of the world. Manchester still suffers from the parochialism of people who live outside of the actual city of Manchester. Especially Salford residents, many get offended at being called Mancunian, despite Salford having no city centre of it's own. Similarly Bolton, Rochdale, Oldham, Stockport etc, some people consider themselves Lancastrian or whatever.

The City region with the 10 councils working together, essentially makes up Manchester as a city now in all but name. If it was London, or any US city, Salford would be considered an area of Manchester. It is increasingly being viewed as that by everyone except many of it's older residents who can't let go of old fashioned local identity.

Totally agree.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

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Ive never understood how Birmingham is deemed the 'second' city ahead of ours?

As someone who lives there, and very much likes the place and its people, it is a description that is anachronistic and a soubriquet that is quite frankly, misleading.

In what way is calling Birmingham our 2nd City, "chronologically misleading" and a misleading nickname?

It's chronologically misleading because it stems from a time when Birmingham undoubtedly was the 'second city'. That's what makes it a misleading nickname. One is a corollary of the other. .