Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

[FanchesterCity]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Threa

I will hate it when the capacity record goes. Been proud of that all my life.

Its comments like that, that get you criticism on here, why would any blue not wish to break a record, preferring to keep old ones ?

You really do say some very strange things for a City supporter.

No it's not, it's because some people choose to interpret it wrongly. You being one, evidently.
Why would I want City to lose the record? Does 'been proud of that all of my life' not suggest pride in having the record?
If we beat our OWN record, course I'd want that. I'm talking about losing it. That's what 'goes' mean. If we beat our own, it wouldn't be going, we'd keep it.

Why did you assume it meant anything else? - because you're looking for it that way.

 

[JOGAMIGMOG]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Threa

I really hope so. Call me selfish but I'll be into my 60s and some will not be around to see another ten years or so. I'm sure we could build one stand a season and that way 90odd percent of us could get to see the club as the finished article within four years not ten or more.

 

[fbloke]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Threa

Its obvious that City will end up in an80k+ stadium and I agree with Fanchester (as I said earlier in this exchange) that it would not be rushed into.

But to suggest that the driving force behind that growth is City attendances alone and that cost is a primary factor is simply wrong.

If the owner(s) of MCFC and CFG were driven by cost then why the CFA and not an easier to build and more cost effective solution like united, arsenal or chelsea? Because things are done irrespective of the bottom line if the argument for it can be made.

The argument for having the countries largest club stadium is simple, it makes a statement above and beyond the number of seats that are left empty some of the time.

The need is there but its not immediate and the need isnt about City v Boro in the FA Cup BTW.

 

[fbloke]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Threa

I really hope so. Call me selfish but I'll be into my 60s and some will not be around to see another ten years or so. I'm sure we could build one stand a season and that way 90odd percent of us could get to see the club as the finished article within four years not ten or more.

My dad died just before the united FA Cup semi. How is that for shit timing!

 

[cleavers]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Threa

Why did you assume it meant anything else? - because you're looking for it that way.

I didn't "assume" anything, I was just making a comment on what you said, and to recent complaints from you, about getting criticism from other blues on here. Its comments like that, that cause the criticism.

This thread, and much of the recent discussion in it, is about THIS club eventually expanding the stadium to 80,000, which the club have already made public that they are keen to do, but you are critical of it, why are you so critical of things that City are planning ? They told everyone who cared to listen, that they want to be the biggest club in the world ? Why does this prospect frighten you so much ?

I and most other blues are more than happy to let them get on with achieving it.

 

[fbloke]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Threa

Why did you assume it meant anything else? - because you're looking for it that way.

I didn't "assume" anything, I was just making a comment on what you said, and to recent complaints from you, about getting criticism from other blues on here. Its comments like that, that cause the criticism.

This thread, and much of the recent discussion in it, is about THIS club eventually expanding the stadium to 80,000, which the club have already made public that they are keen to do, but you are critical of it, why are you so critical of things that City are planning ? They told everyone who cared to listen, that they want to be the biggest club in the world ? Why does this prospect frighten you so much ?

I and most other blues are more than happy to let them get on with achieving it.

Perhaps the unsustainable debt?

 

[FanchesterCity]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Threa

Why did you assume it meant anything else? - because you're looking for it that way.

I didn't "assume" anything, I was just making a comment on what you said, and to recent complaints from you, about getting criticism from other blues on here. Its comments like that, that cause the criticism.

This thread, and much of the recent discussion in it, is about THIS club eventually expanding the stadium to 80,000, which the club have already made public that they are keen to do, but you are critical of it, why are you so critical of things that City are planning ? They told everyone who cared to listen, that they want to be the biggest club in the world ? Why does this prospect frighten you so much ?

I and most other blues are more than happy to let them get on with achieving it.

There is not a single post I have made where I have said it frightens anybody. Not one.
I have said I believe City are doing it the right way - how much more supportive could I be?
I have said I believe we'll get to 80K, just not in one step - precisely how City see it. How is that not supportive? It's bang in line!
People are raising the issue, or discussing why it's not happening in one step, and I'm putting forward reasons I believe they are doing it in stages... some are obvious, some speculative. I can't see a single thing negative thing about that.

It's not really 'critical' to say 80K in one go is a step too far, but in 5 years we can look to expand again is it?

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Threa

Why did you assume it meant anything else? - because you're looking for it that way.

I didn't "assume" anything, I was just making a comment on what you said, and to recent complaints from you, about getting criticism from other blues on here. Its comments like that, that cause the criticism.

This thread, and much of the recent discussion in it, is about THIS club eventually expanding the stadium to 80,000, which the club have already made public that they are keen to do, but you are critical of it, why are you so critical of things that City are planning ? They told everyone who cared to listen, that they want to be the biggest club in the world ? Why does this prospect frighten you so much ?

I and most other blues are more than happy to let them get on with achieving it.

There is not a single post I have made where I have said it frightens anybody. Not one.
I have said I believe City are doing it the right way - how much more supportive could I be?
I have said I believe we'll get to 80K, just not in one step - precisely how City see it. How is that not supportive? It's bang in line!
People are raising the issue, or discussing why it's not happening in one step, and I'm putting forward reasons I believe they are doing it in stages... some are obvious, some speculative. I can't see a single thing negative thing about that.

It's not really 'critical' to say 80K in one go is a step too far, but in 5 years we can look to expand again is it?

15 to 20 years might be more realistic!

I'm thinking how long it took the Rags to get to 76k and a dozen or so years ago we were playing in front of a restricted Maine Road capacity!

 

[FanchesterCity]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Threa

Its obvious that City will end up in an80k+ stadium and I agree with Fanchester (as I said earlier in this exchange) that it would not be rushed into.

But to suggest that the driving force behind that growth is City attendances alone and that cost is a primary factor is simply wrong.

If the owner(s) of MCFC and CFG were driven by cost then why the CFA and not an easier to build and more cost effective solution like united, arsenal or chelsea? Because things are done irrespective of the bottom line if the argument for it can be made.

The argument for having the countries largest club stadium is simple, it makes a statement above and beyond the number of seats that are left empty some of the time.

The need is there but its not immediate and the need isnt about City v Boro in the FA Cup BTW.

Infrastructure spend is exempt from FFP, so it wouldn't matter who much we spent on it, so that aspect is a moot point, but the Chairman has said many times that they don't want City to be a sugar daddy club, it has to be run as a proper business. They've had to plough massive investment in, and very rapidly (due to FFP) but they aren't pumping money in for a laugh. So with that in mind, I do think the cost is a factor.

They've built the CFA, but almost immediately after opening, it's going to be fully utilised. That's (in my opinion) different that building something that won't be fully utilised for a while.

There's another issue too, and a very important one.... building the current expansion has been timed specifically to minimise disruption for the fans, and be ready for next season (likewise the other end the season after). I would imagine any larger expansion couldn't have been done the same way, or in the same time frame, this causing a more disruption.

They might also want to 'test' things out with the first phase of expansion. Learn what the uptake is, how any corporate boxes work out, and then if there are any weaknesses / problems, they can improve yet again on the next phase of expansion. If they had chosen to do it all in one go, they'd lose that ability.

Then there's traffic. 48K to 80K is a serious jump. Nobody can be sure of the traffic issues (and associated safety issues). Again, doing things in stages will help them make better choices in the next phase.

All in all, it's a complicated business this expansion stuff.

Who'd not want to see 80K every week at City. Bragging rights don't really matter, but it's nice to have! Based on how things have done so far, it looks like we'll get there faster than we'd ever imagined 5 years ago, but it might take another 5 years to get there. I'm happy with that. And if we don't? (not a criticism of City) I'll still be happy. I've been lucky enough witness us winnng the league. 5 years ago, I'd have settled for JUST that alone. I got that wish. Everything else is a bonus.

 

[FanchesterCity]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Threa

I didn't "assume" anything, I was just making a comment on what you said, and to recent complaints from you, about getting criticism from other blues on here. Its comments like that, that cause the criticism.

This thread, and much of the recent discussion in it, is about THIS club eventually expanding the stadium to 80,000, which the club have already made public that they are keen to do, but you are critical of it, why are you so critical of things that City are planning ? They told everyone who cared to listen, that they want to be the biggest club in the world ? Why does this prospect frighten you so much ?

I and most other blues are more than happy to let them get on with achieving it.

There is not a single post I have made where I have said it frightens anybody. Not one.
I have said I believe City are doing it the right way - how much more supportive could I be?
I have said I believe we'll get to 80K, just not in one step - precisely how City see it. How is that not supportive? It's bang in line!
People are raising the issue, or discussing why it's not happening in one step, and I'm putting forward reasons I believe they are doing it in stages... some are obvious, some speculative. I can't see a single thing negative thing about that.

It's not really 'critical' to say 80K in one go is a step too far, but in 5 years we can look to expand again is it?

15 to 20 years might be more realistic!

I'm thinking how long it took the Rags to get to 76k and a dozen or so years ago we were playing in front of a restricted Maine Road capacity!

you might be right!... that said, United didn't grow rapidly in the way we are. The project at City is much more dynamic and exciting and I think that is attracting fans quickly. It's a modern stadium, the facilities are improving rapidly and the 'buzz' is appealing to new kids (I think). I don't think United ever had that.

I might be over egging the pudding a bit there, but I think there's some truth to that.