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Yep, it's great aint it?!
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FanchesterCity
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Disagree.
At present it's only that, but if you build an expansion and don't fill it regularly, the press will be all over it with 'white elephant' stories.
It's a non story right now because most of the time we're sold out. It becomes a very different story if most of the time you're not sold out.
dannybcity said:FanchesterCity said:fbloke said:Personally I like the idea of an 80,000+ sell-out crowd for a derby match.
Breaking out own attendance records and their PL attendance record would be nice.
Mind you, knowing united fans they would boycott the game to stop that happening ;-)
I think we all love the idea! but it's the reality of it.
80K for a derby, yeah we could do it. But the rest of the year? nah. It'd be bad PR for us and I've no idea how much extra it would cost to get 80K, it could be ludicrously expensive for all we know.
I will hate it when the capacity record goes. Been proud of that all my life.
Its not bad PR when a club doesn't sell out a game, it's a talking point on twitter for sad acts and armchair supporters.
Disagree.
At present it's only that, but if you build an expansion and don't fill it regularly, the press will be all over it with 'white elephant' stories.
It's a non story right now because most of the time we're sold out. It becomes a very different story if most of the time you're not sold out.
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If we are seriously considering an expansion of this size we could really do with attracting one of the worlds best players, to help us grow our fan base both domestically and internationally.fbloke said:For quite some time its being pretty commonly understood that the club would like to go to 80k (or close to it).
The plans are there, the money is there, the desire is there all that needs to be proven is that the need is there.
I deliberately dont say demand as its not just about MCFC match day but about other big events too.
I think it will happen, just not before the collar site is done.
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I don't know what it was like 20-odd years ago (I was too young to remember) but there is an obsession with "our fans are better than yours" crap now. It's really bad on Twitter but even in the ground... "Is there a fire drill?", "Is this a library?", "WWYWYWS?", "Here, there, every f*cking where... empty seats", "Your support is f*cking sh*t"... every week you hear it even though most fans are well aware of disgraceful ticket prices and financial realities. United fans have taken this obsession with a few empty seats to unprecedented heights. So many lies have been spread that people actually believe we have a half-empty stadium and low attendances now as opposed to bigger attendances than some of football's giants. So... it doesn't matter, even if we sell out a 60,000 seat stadium in the near future, those 1,000 or 2,000 people who don't turn up, leaving empty seats, will mean it goes on and on. Having 20,000 empty seats in an 80,000 seater therefore wouldn't make much difference.
I don't know what it was like 20-odd years ago (I was too young to remember) but there is an obsession with "our fans are better than yours" crap now. It's really bad on Twitter but even in the ground... "Is there a fire drill?", "Is this a library?", "WWYWYWS?", "Here, there, every f*cking where... empty seats", "Your support is f*cking sh*t"... every week you hear it even though most fans are well aware of disgraceful ticket prices and financial realities. United fans have taken this obsession with a few empty seats to unprecedented heights. So many lies have been spread that people actually believe we have a half-empty stadium and low attendances now as opposed to bigger attendances than some of football's giants. So... it doesn't matter, even if we sell out a 60,000 seat stadium in the near future, those 1,000 or 2,000 people who don't turn up, leaving empty seats, will mean it goes on and on. Having 20,000 empty seats in an 80,000 seater therefore wouldn't make much difference.
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The difference lies in the building of something. They've had a huge capacity (and filled it) in the past. They aren't building it now.
If you build something now, and then it fails to fill, it's a 'failed project' in the eyes of the media.
Of course you CAN build for the future, but do you think our press would paint that picture? not a chance. It's far better to build for what we are sure we can manage, and take it from there IMO.
fbloke said:FanchesterCity said:fbloke said:Personally I like the idea of an 80,000+ sell-out crowd for a derby match.
Breaking out own attendance records and their PL attendance record would be nice.
Mind you, knowing united fans they would boycott the game to stop that happening ;-)
I think we all love the idea! but it's the reality of it.
80K for a derby, yeah we could do it. But the rest of the year? nah. It'd be bad PR for us and I've no idea how much extra it would cost to get 80K, it could be ludicrously expensive for all we know.
I will hate it when the capacity record goes. Been proud of that all my life.
I'm not constantly reading about Barca and Real's empty seats so I dont know why it would be bad PR.
I'm pretty sure that in an expanded stadium of that size a large number of cheaper tickets would be the backbone of it.
The positive PR is there to be had if the club wants it and I expect they will do so.The club would also replace OT as the stadium of choice for quite a few other events, and add in the other facilities that the campus will offer there is little chance that other sports wont have Manchester as either 1st or 2nd choice (after Wembley).
A CL final at the stadium is the sort of thing that gains 'massive' PR.
The difference lies in the building of something. They've had a huge capacity (and filled it) in the past. They aren't building it now.
If you build something now, and then it fails to fill, it's a 'failed project' in the eyes of the media.
Of course you CAN build for the future, but do you think our press would paint that picture? not a chance. It's far better to build for what we are sure we can manage, and take it from there IMO.
dannybcity
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Are you suggesting that players won't sign for the club because we didn't fill a 80k stadium week by week because I doubt that would be a consideration for any potential signing? Or do you think people would be put off from attending?
I'm not trying to be facetious but I'm struggling to see where you think the issue would lie.
FanchesterCity said:dannybcity said:Its not bad PR when a club doesn't sell out a game, it's a talking point on twitter for sad acts and armchair supporters.
Disagree.
At present it's only that, but if you build an expansion and don't fill it regularly, the press will be all over it with 'white elephant' stories.
It's a non story right now because most of the time we're sold out. It becomes a very different story if most of the time you're not sold out.
Are you suggesting that players won't sign for the club because we didn't fill a 80k stadium week by week because I doubt that would be a consideration for any potential signing? Or do you think people would be put off from attending?
I'm not trying to be facetious but I'm struggling to see where you think the issue would lie.
FanchesterCity
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I think we can get 80K in time, and if we carry on being successful. But the 'step' approach that City are currently taking is the right one (I believe).
We have no idea how much extra it would cost for that capacity... or what 'closure' of some blocks would be required in the process of that work.
What if an 80K expansion meant we had to close a complete end for a season? what then?
I don't have all the answer, but I think it's all too easy to just say 'lets go for 80K' without considering all the complications.
Most fans will say 'Yes... let's have bigger, better, faster" - that's what fans do, but it doesn't make it the right choice!
I think we can get 80K in time, and if we carry on being successful. But the 'step' approach that City are currently taking is the right one (I believe).
We have no idea how much extra it would cost for that capacity... or what 'closure' of some blocks would be required in the process of that work.
What if an 80K expansion meant we had to close a complete end for a season? what then?
I don't have all the answer, but I think it's all too easy to just say 'lets go for 80K' without considering all the complications.
Most fans will say 'Yes... let's have bigger, better, faster" - that's what fans do, but it doesn't make it the right choice!
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Why don't we design seats that if they are not sat on for ten minutes they inflate with a dummy blue and white fan. You could even pipe chants through it to help the atmosphere. It could be adjusted to 1 minute at the end of the game for those leaving early.
Why don't we design seats that if they are not sat on for ten minutes they inflate with a dummy blue and white fan. You could even pipe chants through it to help the atmosphere. It could be adjusted to 1 minute at the end of the game for those leaving early.
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I would say that you need to worry less about the potential for negative media comments and 'white elephant' nonsense as its all countered rather easily by a shrug of the shoulders and a reminder that its all done without debt or public subsidy.
The good old council house nonsense doesnt bother you does it? Even though the press dont talk about the hows and whys of united's continued existence and the rebuilding and remodelling of OT for the '66 WC?
Certain sections of the media prey on any chink (not that kind Mr Whelan) in the City story but how does that impact what happens on the ground? I simply doesnt.
Has the media interrupted the huge investments already made? No.
Has the media caused consternation about Frank Lampard created meltdown within the CFG? No.
Has the media made the club pause in what it wants to achieve? No.
MCFC are the biggest and most important asset in a growing portfolio being created by one of the richest men in the world on behalf* of THE richest family on the planet so its hardly credible that if they want a massive, white elephant stadium of 80,000 capacity it wont happen if the Daily Mail take a few snidey cheap shots.
*allegedly
FanchesterCity said:fbloke said:FanchesterCity said:I think we all love the idea! but it's the reality of it.
80K for a derby, yeah we could do it. But the rest of the year? nah. It'd be bad PR for us and I've no idea how much extra it would cost to get 80K, it could be ludicrously expensive for all we know.
I will hate it when the capacity record goes. Been proud of that all my life.
I'm not constantly reading about Barca and Real's empty seats so I dont know why it would be bad PR.
I'm pretty sure that in an expanded stadium of that size a large number of cheaper tickets would be the backbone of it.
The positive PR is there to be had if the club wants it and I expect they will do so.The club would also replace OT as the stadium of choice for quite a few other events, and add in the other facilities that the campus will offer there is little chance that other sports wont have Manchester as either 1st or 2nd choice (after Wembley).
A CL final at the stadium is the sort of thing that gains 'massive' PR.
The difference lies in the building of something. They've had a huge capacity (and filled it) in the past. They aren't building it now.
If you build something now, and then it fails to fill, it's a 'failed project' in the eyes of the media.
Of course you CAN build for the future, but do you think our press would paint that picture? not a chance. It's far better to build for what we are sure we can manage, and take it from there IMO.
I would say that you need to worry less about the potential for negative media comments and 'white elephant' nonsense as its all countered rather easily by a shrug of the shoulders and a reminder that its all done without debt or public subsidy.
The good old council house nonsense doesnt bother you does it? Even though the press dont talk about the hows and whys of united's continued existence and the rebuilding and remodelling of OT for the '66 WC?
Certain sections of the media prey on any chink (not that kind Mr Whelan) in the City story but how does that impact what happens on the ground? I simply doesnt.
Has the media interrupted the huge investments already made? No.
Has the media caused consternation about Frank Lampard created meltdown within the CFG? No.
Has the media made the club pause in what it wants to achieve? No.
MCFC are the biggest and most important asset in a growing portfolio being created by one of the richest men in the world on behalf* of THE richest family on the planet so its hardly credible that if they want a massive, white elephant stadium of 80,000 capacity it wont happen if the Daily Mail take a few snidey cheap shots.
*allegedly
FanchesterCity
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I never mentioned players, I doubt they care one jot.
The issue is that the City project is a very visible one, and there's plenty of media who'd be happy to see aspects of it fail.
If we built an expansion that was too big and couldn't fill it regularly, it'd be all over the media and portrayed as a 'white elephant'.
We fill the stadium almost all the time right now, and have a few iffy games with empty seats. That's no big deal.
It's very different if we build for 80K and the vast majority of the time we can't fill it, very different indeed.
If Barca or Real don't sell out, that's different, because they haven't built a new expansion to grow into and 'failed' to grow into it. That is precisely what we'd be accused of.
Ask yourself this... if 80K is that obvious, why aren't we doing it now? - I suggest it's because City have done their homework correctly and chosen the optimal size for the next few years. After that... who knows, we can look again and expand again. I don't think they want to take too big a leap.
dannybcity said:FanchesterCity said:dannybcity said:Its not bad PR when a club doesn't sell out a game, it's a talking point on twitter for sad acts and armchair supporters.
Disagree.
At present it's only that, but if you build an expansion and don't fill it regularly, the press will be all over it with 'white elephant' stories.
It's a non story right now because most of the time we're sold out. It becomes a very different story if most of the time you're not sold out.
Are you suggesting that players won't sign for the club because we didn't fill a 80k stadium week by week because I doubt that would be a consideration for any potential signing? Or do you think people would be put off from attending?
I'm not trying to be facetious but I'm struggling to see where you think the issue would lie.
I never mentioned players, I doubt they care one jot.
The issue is that the City project is a very visible one, and there's plenty of media who'd be happy to see aspects of it fail.
If we built an expansion that was too big and couldn't fill it regularly, it'd be all over the media and portrayed as a 'white elephant'.
We fill the stadium almost all the time right now, and have a few iffy games with empty seats. That's no big deal.
It's very different if we build for 80K and the vast majority of the time we can't fill it, very different indeed.
If Barca or Real don't sell out, that's different, because they haven't built a new expansion to grow into and 'failed' to grow into it. That is precisely what we'd be accused of.
Ask yourself this... if 80K is that obvious, why aren't we doing it now? - I suggest it's because City have done their homework correctly and chosen the optimal size for the next few years. After that... who knows, we can look again and expand again. I don't think they want to take too big a leap.
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