Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

[fbloke]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Threa

For quite some time its being pretty commonly understood that the club would like to go to 80k (or close to it).

The plans are there, the money is there, the desire is there all that needs to be proven is that the need is there.

I deliberately dont say demand as its not just about MCFC match day but about other big events too.

I think it will happen, just not before the collar site is done.

If we are seriously considering an expansion of this size we could really do with attracting one of the worlds best players, to help us grow our fan base both domestically and internationally.

Now I wonder if that could ever happen? ;-)

 

[FanchesterCity]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Threa

I'm not constantly reading about Barca and Real's empty seats so I dont know why it would be bad PR.

I'm pretty sure that in an expanded stadium of that size a large number of cheaper tickets would be the backbone of it.

The positive PR is there to be had if the club wants it and I expect they will do so.The club would also replace OT as the stadium of choice for quite a few other events, and add in the other facilities that the campus will offer there is little chance that other sports wont have Manchester as either 1st or 2nd choice (after Wembley).

A CL final at the stadium is the sort of thing that gains 'massive' PR.

The difference lies in the building of something. They've had a huge capacity (and filled it) in the past. They aren't building it now.
If you build something now, and then it fails to fill, it's a 'failed project' in the eyes of the media.

Of course you CAN build for the future, but do you think our press would paint that picture? not a chance. It's far better to build for what we are sure we can manage, and take it from there IMO.

I would say that you need to worry less about the potential for negative media comments and 'white elephant' nonsense as its all countered rather easily by a shrug of the shoulders and a reminder that its all done without debt or public subsidy.

The good old council house nonsense doesnt bother you does it? Even though the press dont talk about the hows and whys of united's continued existence and the rebuilding and remodelling of OT for the '66 WC?

Certain sections of the media prey on any chink (not that kind Mr Whelan) in the City story but how does that impact what happens on the ground? I simply doesnt.

Has the media interrupted the huge investments already made? No.

Has the media caused consternation about Frank Lampard created meltdown within the CFG? No.

Has the media made the club pause in what it wants to achieve? No.

MCFC are the biggest and most important asset in a growing portfolio being created by one of the richest men in the world on behalf* of THE richest family on the planet so its hardly credible that if they want a massive, white elephant stadium of 80,000 capacity it wont happen if the Daily Mail take a few snidey cheap shots.








*allegedly

My objection was never the bad PR, that was an aside.
My objection was that 80K is a bridge too far right now, and that is evidently the same conclusion City have come to.
There's loads of factors involved, that we aren't privy too... the cost, the building turmoil, the demand etc.
I think City have done their homework and made the right choice. 63-65K (or thereabouts) is sensible. 80K is just too much right now.

I still stand by the claim that bad PR would ensue as a result of overstretching, but that was never my reason not to go to 80K.

 

[EricBrooksGhost]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Threa

The potential to capitalise on increased supporter numbers is, ahem, massive! :)

Unless of course your smiley is suggesting sarcasm in your post! in which case, ignore the above!

I struggle with understanding why you are not cognisant of the "m" word and its local connotations.

 

[remember arthur mann]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Threa

For quite some time its being pretty commonly understood that the club would like to go to 80k (or close to it).

The plans are there, the money is there, the desire is there all that needs to be proven is that the need is there.

I deliberately dont say demand as its not just about MCFC match day but about other big events too.

I think it will happen, just not before the collar site is done.

If we are seriously considering an expansion of this size we could really do with attracting one of the worlds best players, to help us grow our fan base both domestically and internationally.

Now I wonder if that could ever happen? ;-)

I don't think the stadium expansion is just about football.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Threa

Khaldoon is intent on us breaking even and going on to make a profit. We are past the stage of doing things for show.

That approach is reflected in the current expansion plans. Fanchester is right that the some need to add up.

Ps: there is already a 70 page thread about empty seats!

 

[FanchesterCity]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Threa

The potential to capitalise on increased supporter numbers is, ahem, massive! :)

Unless of course your smiley is suggesting sarcasm in your post! in which case, ignore the above!

I struggle with understanding why you are not cognisant of the "m" word and its local connotations.

Cos I'm an old git and thought 'massive' went out ages ago! and I'm not a man, I'm an exiled yonder (Oldham, South Chad) - Exiled near Bury!

 

[FanchesterCity]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Threa

Personally I like the idea of an 80,000+ sell-out crowd for a derby match.

Breaking out own attendance records and their PL attendance record would be nice.

Mind you, knowing united fans they would boycott the game to stop that happening ;-)

I think we all love the idea! but it's the reality of it.
80K for a derby, yeah we could do it. But the rest of the year? nah. It'd be bad PR for us and I've no idea how much extra it would cost to get 80K, it could be ludicrously expensive for all we know.

I will hate it when the capacity record goes. Been proud of that all my life.

The sad thing is the rags will probably find a way to build over the train line and expand their shitty main stand one day. It will be they who break the record not us. Unless we say fuck it let's build it anyway. Let's face it, we have the money and the stadium expenditure doesn't count towards ffp does it not? I say let's do it 85,000!

Not sure about that, demand at United seems to be diminishing. That could change, but right now, the tide is turning against them.
They need CL, top players and trophies to keep their capacity full. Without that, the numbers will fall.

 

[cleavers]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Threa

I will hate it when the capacity record goes. Been proud of that all my life.

Its comments like that, that get you criticism on here, why would any blue not wish to break a record, preferring to keep old ones ?

You really do say some very strange things for a City supporter.

 

[worsleyweb]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Threa

The club will do it step by step. I know for a fact the new design was very much future proofed to allow the long term 80000 plus capacity to be achieved. This was absolutely crucial to the planning, All the methodology for how the steel on the spirals is removed etc has been worked out. 54,000 this year. 62000 in 2018 and within 5 years the east and west. Again I think they will be done one at a time. To take us from 62,000 to 70,000 as the next step. Manchester is a growing and exciting city and the club are too shrewed to not be thinking 10 years ahead. I am very confident I will one day see 80,000 people at City. Just enjoy the trip! We are lucky.

 

[worsleyweb]

Re: Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Threa

The club will do it step by step. I know for a fact the new design was very much future proofed to allow the long term 80000 plus capacity to be achieved. This was absolutely crucial to the planning, All the methodology for how the steel on the spirals is removed etc has been worked out. 54,000 this year. 62000 in 2018 and within 5 years the east and west. Again I think they will be done one at a time. To take us from 62,000 to 70,000 as the next step. Manchester is a growing and exciting city and the club are too shrewed to not be thinking 10 years ahead. I am very confident I will one day see 80,000 people at City. Just enjoy the trip! We are lucky.