Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

Marvin said:
Milan is another world. The Etihad is 1,500m from the City centre with its mainline train stations, bus and coach stations.

We played SPurs at the weekend, I went in and out by foot and bus. In the roads were empty, out there was the usual seas of people, and this time angry people, but they moved quick enough, and they parted for the bus, and I was away.

Meanwhile, you were struggling were you? If you were, you'd have said already, but instead you're telling me about Milan.
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I either walk back to Town, or go to the pub and get on the Met when it’s quieter post-game.

But it’s not about me.

There are people who aren’t capable of walking back to Town nor standing in a 45minute queue for the Met, especially when it’s cold and wet.

Mets are not backed up at the Etihad Stn and you have to wait for them to come between 12 and 18 minutes at times. It’s a poor service.

It’s one of the reasons so many leave early.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
I either walk back to Town, or go to the pub and get on the Met when it’s quieter post-game.

But it’s not about me.

There are people who aren’t capable of walking back to Town nor standing in a 45minute queue for the Met, especially when it’s cold and wet.

Mets are not backed up at the Etihad Stn and you have to wait for them to come between 12 and 18 minutes at times. It’s a poor service.

It’s one of the reasons so many leave early.
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I was referring to the stadium's general transport infrastructure, not your complaints about the tram network.
 
I’ve posted this on numerous occasions.

I don’t know why City don’t invest in a large fleet of electric bendy buses that can be used before and after the match.

They could get a sponsor to sponsor every bus, and if they charge fans £1 each way, the buses would pay for themselves and the drivers, who could be hired for the day.

There is plenty of space on the car parks to park the buses.

Our HDS300 hybrid-electric propulsion systems will soon be powering 44 articulated buses in Boston with an option for 46 more as part of our largest HDS300 order to date. New Flyer will install these systems on 60-foot Xcelsior® diesel electric hybrid buses, and deliver them to the Massachusetts Bay Transport Authority.

https://www.baesystems.com/en/article/powering-bostons-bendy-buses

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jrb said:
I’ve posted this on numerous occasions.

I don’t know why City don’t invest in a large fleet of electric bendy buses that can be used before and after the match.

They could get a sponsor to sponsor every bus, and if they charge fans £1 each way, the buses would pay for themselves and the drivers, who could be hired for the day.

There is plenty of space on the car parks to park the buses.

Our HDS300 hybrid-electric propulsion systems will soon be powering 44 articulated buses in Boston with an option for 46 more as part of our largest HDS300 order to date. New Flyer will install these systems on 60-foot Xcelsior® diesel electric hybrid buses, and deliver them to the Massachusetts Bay Transport Authority.

https://www.baesystems.com/en/article/powering-bostons-bendy-buses

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The whole transport situation requires total blue sky thinking. The simple fact is car parks currently in operation will close as the infrastructure expands. Orange has only ever been a temporary car park. It has been suggested to me that Blue will need to become multi-story.. I can't think of anything worse, it takes an hour to exit that car park on its current one level. The ancoats retail park that was bought for development and is now supposedly being used short term as a car park is an obvious long term solution. Don't build more homes there, build a massive car park and bus, tram, cable car, mono-rail supporters in on a match day and commuters in to town in the week.

The Etihad complex as it opens hotels, areanas, sports therapy units etc will eventually need to become a car free zone. I know there will be people up in arms at that idea but expanding a stadium and reducing car parking without such thinking will not work. I am a disabled supporter myself so understand some will not feel they can get to the ground on public transport but other venues such as the NEC that runs major events such as Nydex the worlds biggest disability event which means the disabled car park is no where near big enough, Crufts where the disabled car parks are closed for the dog owners to park etc use dedicated accessible buses or trains direct to the venue to cope
 
sweenyuk said:
The whole transport situation requires total blue sky thinking. The simple fact is car parks currently in operation will close as the infrastructure expands. Orange has only ever been a temporary car park. It has been suggested to me that Blue will need to become multi-story.. I can't think of anything worse, it takes an hour to exit that car park on its current one level. The ancoats retail park that was bought for development and is now supposedly being used short term as a car park is an obvious long term solution. Don't build more homes there, build a massive car park and bus, tram, cable car, mono-rail supporters in on a match day and commuters in to town in the week.

The Etihad complex as it opens hotels, areanas, sports therapy units etc will eventually need to become a car free zone. I know there will be people up in arms at that idea but expanding a stadium and reducing car parking without such thinking will not work. I am a disabled supporter myself so understand some will not feel they can get to the ground on public transport but other venues such as the NEC that runs major events such as Nydex the worlds biggest disability event which means the disabled car park is no where near big enough, Crufts where the disabled car parks are closed for the dog owners to park etc use dedicated accessible buses or trains direct to the venue to cope
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A monorail from Piccadilly Train Station would be a great idea.

Perhaps not for Metrolink, but they have had years to run a proper matchday service and still aren’t.

Another way is via the canal.

Large pleasure boats could sail along the canal from the city centre.

There are plenty of options.

But it seems mcfc, mcc, gmpte, etc, can’t be arsed improving the matchday transport.
 
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jrb said:
A monorail from Piccadilly Train Station would be a great idea.

Perhaps not for Metrolink, but they have had years to run a proper matchday service and still aren’t.

Another way is via the canal.

Large pleasure boats could sail along the canal from the city centre.

There are plenty of options.

But it seems mcfc, mcc, gmpte, etc, can’t be arsed improving the matchday transport.
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I think it should go from Media City, through Town (it at least the edge of it) and through to Etihad Campus.

Either a monorail or an underground.

Doesn’t have to be conurbation wide, just another form of transport that for once isn’t part of the over-congested road network, that is part of the central business district of the conurbation.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
I think it should go from Media City, through Town (it at least the edge of it) and through to Etihad Campus.

Either a monorail or an underground.

Doesn’t have to be conurbation wide, just another form of transport that for once isn’t part of the over-congested road network, that is part of the central business district of the conurbation.
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A monorail or underground system would take years and probably cost billions..... it would also mean more traffic and diversions

For me of the simple answers is just put more tram carriages on. Sometimes I wait and one carriage shows up. If we had say 4 turn up every ten minutes we’d be sorted

Traffic wise it’s not bad at all - unless you park in the stadium -7unless you can’t walk or have to no idea why anyone would do that. You can park easily ten minutes away and walk up no problem
 
Sheikh Rattle n Roll said:
Out of interest, please can you advise of these events you refer to?.......I am keen to know what events we cannot currently handle up here
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quite a few of the award show type events MTV awards and that like to have a larger controlled area there is more to the O2 than just the arena, much more space available around the arena which isn't available in town just to the way it was built.

comparing Arena's Manchester Arena licenced for 21,000, o2 20,000 but neither will get close to that on events, for the new arena to be successful it needs to cater more for much smaller concerts and events 4-7,000 cap. with it being the regular home for basketball / ice hockey which won't be hosted at the Arena due to the cost of venue etc...
 
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Ardwick Green Blue said:
The downside of all this is that it seems like a further expansion of the stadium has been kicked into the long grass. I saw yesterday that Liverpool are going to let the current planning permission for further expansion at Anfield to lapse as they have a new plan to take capacity to over 60k.
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Agree. The focus should be on creating a proper home end finally in the north stand. Noticed spurs already have rail seating
 
Been looking around Google for the cost of a monorail per mile.

There isn’t an exact cost.

It varied by year, design, system, etc.

It was anywhere between £50mill to £100mill+ per mile.

Piccadilly Train Station to the Etihad Campus, depending on the route, is 2 miles or less.

It isn’t cheap. :-)
 
jrb said:
I’ve posted this on numerous occasions.

I don’t know why City don’t invest in a large fleet of electric bendy buses that can be used before and after the match.

They could get a sponsor to sponsor every bus, and if they charge fans £1 each way, the buses would pay for themselves and the drivers, who could be hired for the day.

There is plenty of space on the car parks to park the buses.

Our HDS300 hybrid-electric propulsion systems will soon be powering 44 articulated buses in Boston with an option for 46 more as part of our largest HDS300 order to date. New Flyer will install these systems on 60-foot Xcelsior® diesel electric hybrid buses, and deliver them to the Massachusetts Bay Transport Authority.

https://www.baesystems.com/en/article/powering-bostons-bendy-buses

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How many would you expect to buy and how many people do they fit on them?

If we had 20 fitting 100 people on them that gets 2000 people away from the ground, by the time they fill up get in town and get back to the ground, half an hour would have passed. I cant see anyone waiting half an hour for another bus.

The following is obviously very rough maths, but, they would be costing you upwards of £5m for 20. If 5,000 people used them pre match you'd be looking at £7,000 a match, costs would be about £2,000 per match based on £75 per driver and £500 for fuel, maintenance etc - so £5,000 profit per match day. At 25 matches a season they would have to run for 40 years to pay off.
 
bluesmith said:
How many would you expect to buy and how many people do they fit on them?

If we had 20 fitting 100 people on them that gets 2000 people away from the ground, by the time they fill up get in town and get back to the ground, half an hour would have passed. I cant see anyone waiting half an hour for another bus.

The following is obviously very rough maths, but, they would be costing you upwards of £5m for 20. If 5,000 people used them pre match you'd be looking at £7,000 a match, costs would be about £2,000 per match based on £75 per driver and £500 for fuel, maintenance etc - so £5,000 profit per match day. At 25 matches a season they would have to run for 40 years to pay off.
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Spot on
 
bluesmith said:
How many would you expect to buy and how many people do they fit on them?

If we had 20 fitting 100 people on them that gets 2000 people away from the ground, by the time they fill up get in town and get back to the ground, half an hour would have passed. I cant see anyone waiting half an hour for another bus.

The following is obviously very rough maths, but, they would be costing you upwards of £5m for 20. If 5,000 people used them pre match you'd be looking at £7,000 a match, costs would be about £2,000 per match based on £75 per driver and £500 for fuel, maintenance etc - so £5,000 profit per match day. At 25 matches a season they would have to run for 40 years to pay off.
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I”m factoring sponsorship of the buses, a possible new arena, a convention centre, and other events, etc. Additional daily and weekly passenger numbers.

As it stands now, 10 buses, if that, wait outside the ground after the game, to get people into town, which is wholly inadequate.

Saying that, Boris Johnson scrapped bendy buses in London.

And they weren't universally liked by people.

Who know’s.

One thing is for sure. The current transport system to and from the Etihad is inadequate and needs to be vastly improved if the planned arena and other attractions get built

Currently people are squashed on to trams and buses like sardines going to the match and back from town.. That isn’t proper public transport.
 
jrb said:
Been looking around Google for the cost of a monorail per mile.

There isn’t an exact cost.

It varied by year, design, system, etc.

It was anywhere between £50mill to £100mill+ per mile.

Piccadilly Train Station to the Etihad Campus, depending on the route, is 2 miles or less.

It isn’t cheap. :-)
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The only way improving the public transportation becomes viable is if there is something else built on the collar site, such as the mooted arena, that spreads the requirement more often. Its just not worthwhile spending millions on something which is used 20-30 times a year. Uniteds ground has better transport links but has to serve them, Salford Quays, Lancs Cricket and now a stop en route to the Trafford Centre.

Even then though, the metrolink may be able to cope with the increasing regularity of events if there are fewer passengers needing to use it (one third?).

The issue with building an arena is that you have to schedule events up to 2 years in advance, whereas our fixtures get moved at short notice. If we had a game on at the same time as an event (eg Champions League), it would be farcical.
 
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