Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

jrb said:
For Saturday and Sunday games I’ve ditched my car. I always used to drive from Burnage. Now I leave the house earlier, stroll to Leve, get the 192 bus(£2 each way), get off at London Road Fire Station, have a couple of drinks in town, either walk or catch the tram to the Etihad, and do the same going back home, stopping off in Leve for a couple of drinks. Midweek games are different. I still use my car as I have to be up at 3.45 in the morning for work.
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I am at this stage, I don't drive anymore for weekend games.

Saturday/Sundays I get the Taxi/Train to Manchester few beers, bite to eat then taxi or walk to ground depending on weather, same on way home.

Night games I get there by car generally, paid parking rather than on street/

My local supporters club has a coach which I use sometimes but it can be a pain in the arse, people getting back late then snagged up in traffic and £10 a trip, cheaper and more enjoyable for 2 of us to Taxi directly there and back and have a few in City Sq/Vermillion before and after.
 
Keeper! said:
Still the same issues, getting in and out of the car park and then into the general traffic would and will be a nightmare, people's habits will have to change.
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supercity88 said:
The idea of buying buses or subsidising a bus service isn't ridiculous at all. It's quite standard. I work in residential development and we have a site for 500 new homes and are paying £1m to fund a new bus service through the site for 5 years. As residents move in, if enough use the service it will then be profitable enough to continue running beyond that 5 year period. As there are local transport issues, that contribution met the legal tests being:

a) necessary to make the development acceptable in planning terms
b) directly related to the development
c) fairly and reasonably related in scale and kind to the development

City will submit a Transport Assessment which will model scenarios, including the Arena and will identify the issues. They'll set out options to address those issues. They'll include the "promote sustainable transport measures" which includes the walking routes and metro and no doubt ticket/metro combinations to get people to the ground sustainably.

But they've tested these options with the South Stand expansion so we'll see the real world impact. There aren't enough trams or buses so it's perfectly reasonable for City to be obligated to pay to subsidise additional services to mitigate the impact of the development. It's how the world works. The Transport companies don't have a pot of cash, they get it from developers or the government when things are really fucked.
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Im sure lots of 500 dwelling developers have invested in travel infrastructure. Name me one other football club that has done something similar.

Also please tell me why during the consultation plan this has never been mentioned anywhere if there was a sniff of it being in their plans.

The focus is on improving walkways and making people stay longer to stagger departures from the area which the existing networks can cope with.
 
SilverFox2 said:
I think the relatively recent demonizing of combustion engines would be responsible for it not forming part of any future.
Electric tram and / or other electric vehicles as you suggest may solve the issue.
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Forget electric vehicles, don't buy them, they won't be around for long.

Being overtaken by hydrogen fuel cells. Governments and industry already scaling for it and making huge advancements in this next decade.

There's only so many colbalt and lithium resources to mine and fight over.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Forget electric vehicles, don't buy them, they won't be around for long.

Being overtaken by hydrogen fuel cells. Governments and industry already scaling for it and making huge advancements in this next decade.

There's only so many colbalt and lithium resources to mine and fight over.
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Zeppelins tethered outside the Etihad
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Forget electric vehicles, don't buy them, they won't be around for long.

Being overtaken by hydrogen fuel cells. Governments and industry already scaling for it and making huge advancements in this next decade.

There's only so many colbalt and lithium resources to mine and fight over.
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Synthetic fuel is still the front runner for me. All the infrastructure already exists, the vehicles exist in their billions.

The big car manufacturers are throwing 50-100m at every single start up, and F1 is committed to switching to it. Would be one of a long list of car innovations that went from F1 to mass production.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Musk is building something like that right now in Vegas?

Called the Hyperloop?
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No, the Hyperloop idea was released as a deliberate attempt to undermine and cancel the planned high speed rail track between LA and San Francisco because Elon Musk sells cars and trains are bad.

He admitted it to his autobiographer.

 
domalino said:
Synthetic fuel is still the front runner for me. All the infrastructure already exists, the vehicles exist in their billions.

The big car manufacturers are throwing 50-100m at every single start up, and F1 is committed to switching to it. Would be one of a long list of car innovations that went from F1 to mass production.
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I have some friends working in the sector and they are telling me that hydrogen fuel is a lot further down the line than anyone expects?

I suppose like AI chatbots!
 
domalino said:
No, the Hyperloop idea was released as a deliberate attempt to undermine and cancel the planned high speed rail track between LA and San Francisco because Elon Musk sells cars and trains are bad.

He admitted it to his autobiographer.

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That's a shame. Loved the idea of a hyperloop.

When I first started out in newspapers, we used to have to send the schemes and copy through a suction tube like they still do with cash in supermarkets.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
I have some friends working in the sector and they are telling me that hydrogen fuel is a lot further down the line than anyone expects?

I suppose like AI chatbots!
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Yeah I think this was a big milestone a few weeks ago -



Batteries will never have the energy per kg to replace aviation fuel, so hydrogen is the obvious answer there
 
Nails said:
Bah, too modern - we had an army of copy dwarves.
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Yep, but Stan Royle the old picture editor at the MEN used to shout at me, "boy" "messenger", "any fucking one" send this up the tube.

I used to ad-lib my stuff over the phone to copytakers. I'd love to see some of these twunts do that these days with 400 words half-time, 300 words 3/4 time and a 200 word intro on the whistle when some sod scored in injury time...

And then two 900 rewrites with quotes and the visitor manager already having fucked off back on the coach by 10pm!

And the night editor screaming first edition at half nine, eh?

No wonder I later developed GAD and take Sertraline for it.
 
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tolmie's hairdoo said:
I have some friends working in the sector and they are telling me that hydrogen fuel is a lot further down the line than anyone expects?

I suppose like AI chatbots!
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I am currently developing a large green hydrogen scheme. Wind and solar generation which powers electrolysers. The hydrogen will then be used to power the local authority refuse vehicles and buses in Cambridgeshire. Cambridgeshire purchased two EV refuse tricks in 2020 and regret that decision now. They, and numerous other LA's see hydrogen fuel cell as the future.

There is also the Trafford Low Carbon Energy Park which is now under construction. This will be used to supply Manchester City Council vehicles with green hydrogen

https://www.traffordgreenhydrogen.co.uk/

The pilot scheme is already up and running in Aberdeen and has been a huge success.

The biggest barrier at the moment is a meaningful government incentive. Hydrogen is expensive to produce at the moment and isn't financially viable in a lot of applications. There is the Net Zero Hydrogen Fund but there is confusion over what, and how much, qualifies. Ofgem implemented the Feed in Tariff for wind and solar and that provided the platform for huge private investment, hydrogen needs something similar
 
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