Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

[Spanishbob]

Meanwhile have we any updated pictures of the north stand development? Sorry wrong thread. Any updated pictures of a bus?

 

[Holcombe bloo]

would City fans & fans going to the Coop arena when open be willing to pay an extra £1 on their tickets/ seasoncards if it meant more buses before & after the events.

I would

 

[richards30]

Meanwhile have we any updated pictures of the north stand development? Sorry wrong thread. Any updated pictures of a bus?

yeah i think they have the kids doing a coloured in version for us this time mate ;-)

 

[jrb]

Meanwhile have we any updated pictures of the north stand development? Sorry wrong thread. Any updated pictures of a bus?

No, that's why were discussing transport to and from the Etihad Campus and electric buses. :-)

 

[Keeper!]

Im sure lots of 500 dwelling developers have invested in travel infrastructure. Name me one other football club that has done something similar.

Also please tell me why during the consultation plan this has never been mentioned anywhere if there was a sniff of it being in their plans.

The focus is on improving walkways and making people stay longer to stagger departures from the area which the existing networks can cope with.

Well it's high time developers WERE made to pay towards solutions and not pay lip service, same goes with National and regional governments.

Talk the talk but walk and give the public a viable public transport system so they don't have to rely on the motor car

 

[Keeper!]

Synthetic fuel is still the front runner for me. All the infrastructure already exists, the vehicles exist in their billions.

The big car manufacturers are throwing 50-100m at every single start up, and F1 is committed to switching to it. Would be one of a long list of car innovations that went from F1 to mass production.

Electric cars are part of the Government's master plan to get the common man out of cars, they are not the future and never have been until battery technology is revolutionised.

 

[blueyorkie]

No, that's why were discussing transport to and from the Etihad Campus and electric buses. :-)

Hate to be a curmudgeon but how will an electric bus improve matters any more than ordinary buses? Obviously they are the future but other than environmental issues I don’t get it!

No, that's why were discussing transport to and from the Etihad Campus and electric buses. :-)

 

[bladdered]

Hate to be a curmudgeon but how will an electric bus improve matters any more than ordinary buses? Obviously they are the future but other than environmental issues I don’t get it!

You can't hear them when they run you over. All adds to the match day experience.

 

[jrb]

Hate to be a curmudgeon but how will an electric bus improve matters any more than ordinary buses? Obviously they are the future but other than environmental issues I don’t get it!

That's like saying how will Metrolink improve Metrolink.

The answer for both is more of them and more often.

Unless that happens with Metrolink and the buses, nothing will change.

City and OVG can go on all day about improved walking routes, which is a good thing, but that won't make a massive difference. Neither will (Uber) Taxis, which I don't get.

I've touched on the Taxi topic before. Waiting near the ground on both sides of the road after the match, only to try and do u-turns, and driving though 1000's of fans walking on the road/s back into town. Where else would that dangerous scenario happen on the roads?

 

[supercity88]

Im sure lots of 500 dwelling developers have invested in travel infrastructure. Name me one other football club that has done something similar.

Also please tell me why during the consultation plan this has never been mentioned anywhere if there was a sniff of it being in their plans.

The focus is on improving walkways and making people stay longer to stagger departures from the area which the existing networks can cope with.

City contributed £500k towards local transport infrastructure through the South Stand expansion alongside additional works we had to do at our own cost.

Do you think my company offered £1m at the outset? Of course we fucking didn't. But it was requested by the bus company, it worked within our viability model so we signed up to it in order to get planning permission. It's up to the relevant transport authorities to determine if this scheme is acceptable and what burden it places on existing infrastructure. They'll then work out what could be done to mitigate that, what schemes there are and how much they cost and say "we need X amount of money" and then City can argue it, or pay it.

That's how it works.

You are quite right, the idea is to spread the load by having people in the area over a long period so reducing the peak travel. But an arena plus a football match with 7,000+ more fans and a hotel is still going to increase peak travel and something more than improving walkways and making people stay longer will be required.

 

[jrb]

Why not create bus lanes to and from the Etihad South Stand, where the buses normally park up, to Great Ancoats Street, along Ashton New Road and Merrill Street, which can be operational during match days and Coop Live arena days.

 

[jrb]

Again, just banding ideas about. There's a huge parcel of unused land on Ashton Old Road, close to the Etihad.

From memory, I think the sign is still up, over 5 acres of the land is up for sale. It's behind a tall wall opposite the newish apartment buildings and housing estate.

Don't know what parcel of land is up for sale exactly as there's that much of it shown on Google Earth 3D.

There's a train line that terminates on another parcel of land nearby. Don't know anything about that.

That land would make a great park and ride car park. Close to the ground, but not in the vicinity of the ground, walkable, or catch a (electric) bus. And on a major route in and out of the area.

The land around the Etihad.

Bar the 2 back car parks, and the Collar site car park, which will eventually go, there isn't much land around the ground to create (park and ride) car parks. Or land that is appropriate for car parking.

 

[LEXSTARproject]

Again, just banding ideas about. There's a huge parcel of unused land on Ashton Old Road, close to the Etihad.

From memory, I think the sign is still up, over 5 acres of the land is up for sale. It's behind a tall wall opposite the newish apartment buildings and housing estate.

Don't know what parcel of land is up for sale exactly as there's that much of it shown on Google Earth 3D.

There's a train line that terminates on another parcel of land nearby. Don't know anything about that.

That land would make a great park and ride car park. Close to the ground, but not in the vicinity of the ground, walkable, or catch a (electric) bus. And on a major route in and out of the area.

The land around the Etihad.

Bar the 2 back car parks, and the Collar site car park, which will eventually go, there isn't much land around the ground to create (park and ride) car parks. Or land that is appropriate for car parking.

I said a similar thing but with a shuttle train, going to Beswick arches you could do either or

With nothing going to happen with Metro Link, why don't the club build their own transport hub at the former Mercedes garage and run their own shuttle train to a destination further down the line where a multi-storey car park could be built next to Beswick Arches or further down where is available land that has better transport links same in the other direction that they would link up with a major road or train line.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

I said a similar thing but with a shuttle train, going to Beswick arches you could do either or

With nothing going to happen with Metro Link, why don't the club build their own transport hub at the former Mercedes garage and run their own shuttle train to a destination further down the line where a multi-storey car park could be built next to Beswick Arches or further down where is available land that has better transport links same in the other direction that they would link up with a major road or train line.

It won’t be trains, you can’t just buy a train and drive it on the national railway network. In any case by the time you’ve queued up to get on the train you could have walked there and back about three times! And you’re also concentrating all the car traffic into one area to get to and from the multi-storey.

 

[bluesmith]

I said a similar thing but with a shuttle train, going to Beswick arches you could do either or

With nothing going to happen with Metro Link, why don't the club build their own transport hub at the former Mercedes garage and run their own shuttle train to a destination further down the line where a multi-storey car park could be built next to Beswick Arches or further down where is available land that has better transport links same in the other direction that they would link up with a major road or train line.

How many time, are you going to ask the same question and ignore the answer?

The cost of building train routes and stations is astronomical its not happening.

 

[foggy1974]

City contributed £500k towards local transport infrastructure through the South Stand expansion alongside additional works we had to do at our own cost.

Do you think my company offered £1m at the outset? Of course we fucking didn't. But it was requested by the bus company, it worked within our viability model so we signed up to it in order to get planning permission. It's up to the relevant transport authorities to determine if this scheme is acceptable and what burden it places on existing infrastructure. They'll then work out what could be done to mitigate that, what schemes there are and how much they cost and say "we need X amount of money" and then City can argue it, or pay it.

That's how it works.

You are quite right, the idea is to spread the load by having people in the area over a long period so reducing the peak travel. But an arena plus a football match with 7,000+ more fans and a hotel is still going to increase peak travel and something more than improving walkways and making people stay longer will be required.

Half priced beer & food for 2 hours after the game

 

[blueparrot]

Half priced beer & food for 2 hours after the game

It’s surprised me how quick the traffic actually clears after games. Where I used to get to the car and get away it seemed to be an hour wasted sat in traffic not moving. These days, I hang around an hour, listen to the interviews have a drink and most of the traffic has gone, get home to Scotland only about 30 minutes later than I was. Only really a pain for night games but then I usually stay over for them.

 

[LEXSTARproject]

How many time, are you going to ask the same question and ignore the answer?

The cost of building train routes and stations is astronomical its not happening.

What about doing a mix of both then, running buses to Ashbury station , upgrade the station like what Villa are doing. The Mercedes Garage site could be the hub for the shuttle buses for the Ethihad Campus

Its the same issue eveywhere with major events areana and sports grounds trains can carry more people than buses.London is lucky it has the tube

 

[blueparrot]

What about doing a mix of both then, running buses to Ashbury station , upgrade the station like what Villa are doing. The Mercedes Garage site could be the hub for the shuttle buses for the Ethihad Campus

Its the same issue eveywhere with major events areana and sports grounds trains can carry more people than buses.London is lucky it has the tube



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Trains to where? by the time you’ve queued for a bus, taken a bus queued for a train got the train , you could have crawled to piccadilly never mind walked.

 

[moggymoz]

Again, just banding ideas about. There's a huge parcel of unused land on Ashton Old Road, close to the Etihad.

From memory, I think the sign is still up, over 5 acres of the land is up for sale. It's behind a tall wall opposite the newish apartment buildings and housing estate.

Don't know what parcel of land is up for sale exactly as there's that much of it shown on Google Earth 3D.

There's a train line that terminates on another parcel of land nearby. Don't know anything about that.

That land would make a great park and ride car park. Close to the ground, but not in the vicinity of the ground, walkable, or catch a (electric) bus. And on a major route in and out of the area.

The land around the Etihad.

Bar the 2 back car parks, and the Collar site car park, which will eventually go*, there isn't much land around the ground to create (park and ride) car parks. Or land that is appropriate for car parking.

*don't shoot the messenger but there is going to be a huge underground car park including a upper one or two storey car park on this site.