Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site

[S04]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

Does the new academy use all the land we have purchased? If not, are there plans for leisure facilities such as a hotel, restaurant etc?

Let me quote a certain lawyer that posts here at times..

"The 200 acres are the total land holdings of MCFC and the Council which are covered by the memorandum of understanding the two parties have signed regarding the development of land within and around the Etihad Campus. The figure comes from statements made by both parties which refer specifically to it, for example here on the MCFC official site. If you deduct the stadium and the training ground from that, it implies that there's around 100 acres of further development to come.

The Council's Eastlands Regeneration Framework suggests that the so-called 'collar site', comprising just under 40 acres immediately east of the stadium, will be a priority in that regard; that document stated that this land is planned to house a leisure attraction of "national and international significance". The same document also suggests that there will eventually be commercial development on the north car parks, and on land to the west of the stadium assuming the proposed new uses justify in commercial terms the relocation of the sports facilities (athletics, tennis and squash) already located there.

There may well be some land in addition to this which falls within the scope of the proposed JV between the club and the Council (though the actual JV company hasn't yet been formed, I note). However the above, along with the training ground and associated community development, is presumably the large majority of what comprises the 200 acres spoken about in this context

 

[WNRH]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

The new place is stunning and we are so lucky to be in the process of building it in 2 years.

But

Why do people suddenly think that as soon as it open it will be 7-10 years before we produce world class £30m rated talent?

Has anyone been to Platt Lane? I've played there on and off for the last 5 years and the place is fantastic. The grass pitches are stunning and the astroturf is the best available, same as it would be in the new place so what's the difference?

So the new place has nice surroundings, fancier changing rooms and a smooth car park, but when we talk about how kids learn football it is on the pitch and the pitches at both Platt Lane and the new place would be the same.

It's the coaches that produce world class talent not facilities.

 

[S04]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

The new place is stunning and we are so lucky to be in the process of building it in 2 years.

But

Why do people suddenly think that as soon as it open it will be 7-10 years before we produce world class £30m rated talent?

Has anyone been to Platt Lane? I've played there on and off for the last 5 years and the place is fantastic. The grass pitches are stunning and the astroturf is the best available, same as it would be in the new place so what's the difference?

So the new place has nice surroundings, fancier changing rooms and a smooth car park, but when we talk about how kids learn football it is on the pitch and the pitches at both Platt Lane and the new place would be the same.

It's the coaches that produce world class talent not facilities.

Yes and no..

If it was just about coaches any club would do but just like players will pick what clubs they join the talented youngsters will want the best facilities surely.

 

[WNRH]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

The new place is stunning and we are so lucky to be in the process of building it in 2 years.

But

Why do people suddenly think that as soon as it open it will be 7-10 years before we produce world class £30m rated talent?

Has anyone been to Platt Lane? I've played there on and off for the last 5 years and the place is fantastic. The grass pitches are stunning and the astroturf is the best available, same as it would be in the new place so what's the difference?

So the new place has nice surroundings, fancier changing rooms and a smooth car park, but when we talk about how kids learn football it is on the pitch and the pitches at both Platt Lane and the new place would be the same.

It's the coaches that produce world class talent not facilities.

Yes and no..

If it was just about coaches any club would do but just like players will pick what clubs they join the talented youngsters will want the best facilities surely.

There is no doubt it would be a added incentive but at the moment if you look at both club's in 2 years, we may have the best facilities but United have the better record of producing and giving chances to young players and that is what will sway it in the end.

 

[LoveCity]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

There is no doubt it would be a added incentive but at the moment if you look at both club's in 2 years, we may have the best facilities but United have the better record of producing and giving chances to young players and that is what will sway it in the end.

Perhaps but surely we will hope to train a higher standard of player than United have recently (they live off the Golden Generation but what top class players have appeared since...?). If we produce players of the O'Shea/Brown/Campbell/Welbeck/Cleverley/Evans level like they have in the last decade or so, then what chance do they have? At best those sort of players would be the #20-#25 players in our squad, that's if they don't leave for lack of chances. Honestly think Richards is a better player than anyone they have produced in the last 10 years or so.

The club must have a plan, they won't build these facilities and fill them with sub-par coaching talent. Said it not long ago but former Barcelona youth coach Pep Segura has left Liverpool, he had a great effect there, and I wonder if it is a coincidence (Soriano).

 

[Why Always Ste]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

It will be what goes on outside of the academy as well, with the scouting system matching the likes of United.

We find more hidden gems, introduce them to this facility, and sure Platt Lane is decent - but one big overlooked factor here is at the moment our current first team trains in Carrington... with this new facility, you'll have young kids being schooled in a classroom, whilst they look outside of their window they will see David Silva training, preparing for the next Champions League match.

Inspiring or what?

Taking away my club allegiances I know where I'd rather train as a developing footballer.

 

[BLUE PEANUT]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

The new place is stunning and we are so lucky to be in the process of building it in 2 years.

But

Why do people suddenly think that as soon as it open it will be 7-10 years before we produce world class £30m rated talent?

Has anyone been to Platt Lane? I've played there on and off for the last 5 years and the place is fantastic. The grass pitches are stunning and the astroturf is the best available, same as it would be in the new place so what's the difference?

So the new place has nice surroundings, fancier changing rooms and a smooth car park, but when we talk about how kids learn football it is on the pitch and the pitches at both Platt Lane and the new place would be the same.

It's the coaches that produce world class talent not facilities.

Don't know the exact numbers etc, but it is all to do with the what grade the
academy is awarded. For example, currently the club are not allowed to recruit players outside of a certain mile radius or travelling time, until the player reaches a certain age. One of the academy lads was in digs at my mam's on the basis that he was at boarding school in Yorkshire rather than his home in Wales. The club got done for it and he was banned from playing for a year. Must be a decent player as getting rave reviews in the EDS this season.

I believe under the new system, by provoding accomodation (not just digs) and schooling, that clubs graded at the highest level (which City will be) effectively get first dibs on younger talentand from a wider geographical area. Clubs such as Crewe etc, would not be able to sign a player up until they reach a certain age, and City would be able to approach players from what would previously been outside of our area.

Not saying it's fair, but gives us a good shout at young prospects. My lad who is 7 plays local football, and all of the games are regularly attended by scouts from City, Utd, Liverpool, Everton, Burnley and Bolton (not to watch my lad unfortunately !). It's not hard to see that any prospects with those clubs sniffing around them, would have their heads turned with the new academy instead of Platt Lane and whatever the others have to offer.

 

[VOOMER]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

It will be what goes on outside of the academy as well, with the scouting system matching the likes of United.

We find more hidden gems, introduce them to this facility, and sure Platt Lane is decent - but one big overlooked factor here is at the moment our current first team trains in Carrington... with this new facility, you'll have young kids being schooled in a classroom, whilst they look outside of their window they will see David Silva training, preparing for the next Champions League match.

Inspiring or what?

Taking away my club allegiances I know where I'd rather train as a developing footballer.

I heard the glaziers cut their scouting budget by 95% over the last 3 years. We will surpass them in terms of a global scounting network inside 18 months. Yes, they have their name, but it does pay the bills and where were they when Messi and the like were being discovered? Shit look at the OX at Arsenal and Wilshire, two players, you could say are better than £35 million they spent on two players they bought last season

 

[sam-caddick]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

I do think Mansour and City will look at the new academy as another source of income as well.

Not everyone will be able to play in the first team, look at Barcelona, they have £10m youth prospects who will never make the first team - they might have 3 great players for one position but will obviously have to choose the best one.

If we are to develop the talent in the correct way it is what will happen, I am all for it if we end up having the best academy in the country and up there with La Masia in the world - bringing top class English players through is a must as well.

We also could end up doing deals for our target players if we were to go buying a player which include a bulk swap of youth talent, we just put a buy back clause in the contract, Barcelona have this game sussed.

The future of football is in buying from other clubs academies or going out scouting the next big thing - no club can sustain paying huge money for various players ever year. It is fun on a fans behalf, but as a business point of view, it cannot carry in much further. 50m + for a player is ridiculous let's be honest, what happens when 80-100m becomes the norm?? No footballer is worth that - your revenue would have to be reaching close to a billion pounds to spend that every so often.

 

[petrusha]

Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

Does the new academy use all the land we have purchased? If not, are there plans for leisure facilities such as a hotel, restaurant etc?

Let me quote a certain lawyer that posts here at times..

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I know how you mean, mate. Wouldn't listen to him - he's a right ****! ;)