Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site

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Another crap article...
" Uefa have so far failed to raise a red flag over the Etihad deal, "
 
Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

jrb said:
Wait a minute!

The rumour.

Etihad sponsorship deal. £400mill over 10 years. £40mill a year. Stadium, shirt, campus.

Public outcry/uproar. Everyone, especially Platini, Jean-Luc Dehaene, and UEFA want it investigated because........

This is the gem.

Perhaps I'm missing something here, but........... Or is it just me?

Of course nothing will be said, apart from what another great business/sponsorship deal the Glazer's and Manchester United have pulled off.

Yes, you're missing something.

UEFA's FFP regulations state that related party transactions are subjected to scrutiny and if they're not for a 'fair value' then such a fair value will be substituted for the actual value. In essence, a related party transaction is one where the parties have a particular relationship that allows one of them to exercise influence over the other or the same person to influence them both. (That's a bit simplistic but I hope it's understandable).

City's deal with Etihad doesn't count as a 'related party' transaction according to our auditors, who have to make this assessment under an international accounting standards. However, because City's owner is a member of the ruling family of Abu Dhabi and a government minister and because the sponsor is a company owned by the Abu Dhabi government, we have to accept that people will ask questions. In other words, there'll be a suspicion that we've used a state-owned Abu Dhabi company to circumvent the FFP regulations.

Now, as it happens, if our auditors are competent (and I assume they are) we should have a sound explanation as to why MCFC and Etihad aren't related parties. And I suspect that the deal has been structured with a view to justifying the price of the deal as being a commercial rate even if they were related parties.

However, I think if you take a step back and remove the blue-tinted glasses you can see why there were questions. United, on the other hand, have done a deal with a party that can no way in a million years be regarded as a related party so no one is going to call for it to be investigated as a possible breach of the rules. Whether we like it or not, they're hugely attractive in global terms to major sponsors and they've capitalised on it.

I think we're justified in being a bit pissed off with the reaction to PSG's deal, though. That seems like an absolute pisstake to me, and unless I've missed a lot of uproar, doesn't seem to have attracted the opprobrium our much more reasonable deal did.
 
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Ric said:
Petrovs left peg said:
Ric said:
Interesting article from Mark Ogden in The Telegraph about how City will benefit from the deal United have announced:

<a class="postlink" href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/markogden/100026329/how-manchester-city-can-be-the-big-winners-from-manchester-uniteds-180m-aon-deal/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mark ... -aon-deal/</a>

"Bluemoon Forum sponsored by Etihad"

Fancy it??

They'd have to buy us out of the existing deal we have with "Botox Mom".

Not just me that sees the Botox Mom then...I was wondering which of my online viewing habits would generate such a targeted advert!
 
Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

petrusha said:
jrb said:
Wait a minute!

The rumour.

Etihad sponsorship deal. £400mill over 10 years. £40mill a year. Stadium, shirt, campus.

Public outcry/uproar. Everyone, especially Platini, Jean-Luc Dehaene, and UEFA want it investigated because........

This is the gem.

Perhaps I'm missing something here, but........... Or is it just me?

Of course nothing will be said, apart from what another great business/sponsorship deal the Glazer's and Manchester United have pulled off.

Yes, you're missing something.

UEFA's FFP regulations state that related party transactions are subjected to scrutiny and if they're not for a 'fair value' then such a fair value will be substituted for the actual value. In essence, a related party transaction is one where the parties have a particular relationship that allows one of them to exercise influence over the other or the same person to influence them both. (That's a bit simplistic but I hope it's understandable).

City's deal with Etihad doesn't count as a 'related party' transaction according to our auditors, who have to make this assessment under an international accounting standards. However, because City's owner is a member of the ruling family of Abu Dhabi and a government minister and because the sponsor is a company owned by the Abu Dhabi government, we have to accept that people will ask questions. In other words, there'll be a suspicion that we've used a state-owned Abu Dhabi company to circumvent the FFP regulations.

Now, as it happens, if our auditors are competent (and I assume they are) we should have a sound explanation as to why MCFC and Etihad aren't related parties. And I suspect that the deal has been structured with a view to justifying the price of the deal as being a commercial rate even if they were related parties.

However, I think if you take a step back and remove the blue-tinted glasses you can see why there were questions. United, on the other hand, have done a deal with a party that can no way in a million years be regarded as a related party so no one is going to call for it to be investigated as a possible breach of the rules. Whether we like it or not, they're hugely attractive in global terms to major sponsors and they've capitalised on it.

I think we're justified in being a bit pissed off with the reaction to PSG's deal, though. That seems like an absolute pisstake to me, and unless I've missed a lot of uproar, doesn't seem to have attracted the opprobrium our much more reasonable deal did.


there hasnt and i am sure its nothing to do with Platinis son being employed by PSG.

in the same way I am sure Hitler knew nought of the holocaust.
 
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I'll tell you where they go next, Ogden, you rag twat.

City will go back to Etihad, and afford themselves of the foresight they inserted into our original deal.

You know, the one which allows the money in the first place to be raised at any given time over the duration.

One which is in line with both inflation and comparable market value.

United, hung by their own petard trying to keep up with the Jones'.

Thanks very much indeed. Let's call it £60m a season now shall we?

Oh, I hear you cry, but we're Manchester United.

Well, we are Manchester fucking City, and we are considerably richer than yow!

I'm sure a certain team in Paris will also be very thankful.
 
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I thought City's Carrington training complex was already sponsored by Abu Dhabi tourist authority and has nothing to do with Etihad
 
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^^ Isn't there also a bit of a biggy sponsor in the pipeline anyway? Forget how it's connected, but possibly to the collar site?
 
Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

petrusha said:
jrb said:
Wait a minute!

The rumour.

Etihad sponsorship deal. £400mill over 10 years. £40mill a year. Stadium, shirt, campus.

Public outcry/uproar. Everyone, especially Platini, Jean-Luc Dehaene, and UEFA want it investigated because........

This is the gem.

Perhaps I'm missing something here, but........... Or is it just me?

Of course nothing will be said, apart from what another great business/sponsorship deal the Glazer's and Manchester United have pulled off.

Yes, you're missing something.

UEFA's FFP regulations state that related party transactions are subjected to scrutiny and if they're not for a 'fair value' then such a fair value will be substituted for the actual value. In essence, a related party transaction is one where the parties have a particular relationship that allows one of them to exercise influence over the other or the same person to influence them both. (That's a bit simplistic but I hope it's understandable).

City's deal with Etihad doesn't count as a 'related party' transaction according to our auditors, who have to make this assessment under an international accounting standards. However, because City's owner is a member of the ruling family of Abu Dhabi and a government minister and because the sponsor is a company owned by the Abu Dhabi government, we have to accept that people will ask questions. In other words, there'll be a suspicion that we've used a state-owned Abu Dhabi company to circumvent the FFP regulations.

Now, as it happens, if our auditors are competent (and I assume they are) we should have a sound explanation as to why MCFC and Etihad aren't related parties. And I suspect that the deal has been structured with a view to justifying the price of the deal as being a commercial rate even if they were related parties.

However, I think if you take a step back and remove the blue-tinted glasses you can see why there were questions. United, on the other hand, have done a deal with a party that can no way in a million years be regarded as a related party so no one is going to call for it to be investigated as a possible breach of the rules. Whether we like it or not, they're hugely attractive in global terms to major sponsors and they've capitalised on it.

I think we're justified in being a bit pissed off with the reaction to PSG's deal, though. That seems like an absolute pisstake to me, and unless I've missed a lot of uproar, doesn't seem to have attracted the opprobrium our much more reasonable deal did.


I seriously doubt the desire of UEFA to push things vis a vi related party deals as some might ask serious questions about a company you will know all about - Gazprom.
 
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Nobody seems to have mentioned this morning in the reports that United do not even own their training complex anymore.

As part of their debt restructure they began leasing it back from last season.

Wait until they see how much we get for a fucking bridge.

United have been forced to go all around the world flogging stuff off and their commercial revenue is still on par with us.

We haven't even started.

I can't wait until they announce a new airline sponsor later this year...
 
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When you look at other sponsorships in the league, if anything the Etihad deal is undervalued.

Arsenal get £30M a season for shirt and stadium sponsorships from Emirates.

Liverpool get £20M a season for shirt sponsorships from standard Chartered.

United get £10M a season for training ground shirts being sponsored by DHL. (This is more than all but 5 teams actual shirt sponsors).

Sunderland are apparently getting £20M for there shirt deal with Invest in Africa!

We apparently get between £20M and £40M for stadium, shirts (match day and training), and the campus as a whole. If anything, we should be asking for more money!

Also, does anyone know if we'll be getting a separate sponsor for our training kit next season or in the next few seasons?

And does anyone think teams in the premier league will ever start having more than one sponsor on there shirt like Valencia for example who have the main sponsor where we have Etihad and then a different sponsor on there sleeve? That would be one way to increase our income.
 
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