Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site

[Chancy Termites]

Slightly off topic but I'm very impressed with Nice's new stadium design. Just goes to show what a bit of cladding can do. Cheapest seats for league matches only EUR7.50 too.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxtq82GWoPc[/youtube]
http://www.ogcnice.com/fr/stade/presentation-allianz-riviera

Compared to their old Stade du Ray which basically had the appearance of something temporary made from scaffolding, it's like it's from a different planet. The new stadium's about twice the size of the old one, but they rarely sold out the old one so they'll be rattling around in there! Think next year's family holiday may just be to the south of France again. If we go late enough I should be able to take in their first match.

I was in Nice last week driving up to La Gaude so got a great view of the stadium and it does look impressive. Don't be fooled by the artists impression of the surrounding area, reality is very different.

Yeah I realise that there's a bit of "interpretation" in there! On the whole though, lovely city.

 

[OxBlue]

One thought though, big gate and massive security makes the whole Spurs training ground inaccessible to the general public. If this is repeated at City, which I assume it will, we'll have a fantastic 100 million pound development next to the City stadium, much of which, nobody other than a privileged few can access.

I think this is the general idea
-to keep a)press b)rival teams away from our training methods / tactics / training fights / missing players etc
other than the stadium corner

In all fairness SB, the pre-academy boys (U6,7,8) regularly play games against north west Junior football teams at Platt lane with the boys and their parents getting access to that site. So it should be the same for the new place.

 

[seafordblue]

One thought though, big gate and massive security makes the whole Spurs training ground inaccessible to the general public. If this is repeated at City, which I assume it will, we'll have a fantastic 100 million pound development next to the City stadium, much of which, nobody other than a privileged few can access.

I think this is the general idea
-to keep a)press b)rival teams away from our training methods / tactics / training fights / missing players etc
other than the stadium corner

In all fairness SB, the pre-academy boys (U6,7,8) regularly play games against north west Junior football teams at Platt lane with the boys and their parents getting access to that site. So it should be the same for the new place.

Yes, great for the academy kids involved and their parents. Great facilities etc etc.

However, there will be this great 100 acre development next to the City stadium which will be cordoned off from the local residents and matchday City fans. So while this development is obviously better than the wasteland it's being built on, as a property owner in the area, it's not something that gets me terribly excited.

 

[stony]

I think this is the general idea
-to keep a)press b)rival teams away from our training methods / tactics / training fights / missing players etc
other than the stadium corner

In all fairness SB, the pre-academy boys (U6,7,8) regularly play games against north west Junior football teams at Platt lane with the boys and their parents getting access to that site. So it should be the same for the new place.

Yes, great for the academy kids involved and their parents. Great facilities etc etc.

However, there will be this great 100 acre development next to the City stadium which will be cordoned off from the local residents and matchday City fans. So while this development is obviously better than the wasteland it's being built on, as a property owner in the area, it's not something that gets me terribly excited.

They're building it to train the first team in privacy and to develop the best youngsters from an early age in the best possible environment. They're not building it just to give you a hard on.
I'm not exactly sure what you expect them to do. Did you really think they would open it to the public and stand by as every single minor training ground incident is blown out of proportion and sensationalised on the back page of the sun ?
I suspect most blues will be happy with the knowledge that our players will have the best possible facilities and aren't being distracted by bullshit stories in the media.

 

[seafordblue]

In all fairness SB, the pre-academy boys (U6,7,8) regularly play games against north west Junior football teams at Platt lane with the boys and their parents getting access to that site. So it should be the same for the new place.

Yes, great for the academy kids involved and their parents. Great facilities etc etc.

However, there will be this great 100 acre development next to the City stadium which will be cordoned off from the local residents and matchday City fans. So while this development is obviously better than the wasteland it's being built on, as a property owner in the area, it's not something that gets me terribly excited.

They're building it to train the first team in privacy and to develop the best youngsters from an early age in the best possible environment.

I'm not exactly sure what you expect them to do. Did you really think they would open it to the public and stand by as every single minor training ground incident is blown out of proportion and sensationalised on the back page of the sun ?
I suspect most blues will be happy with the knowledge that our players will have the best possible facilities and aren't being distracted by bullshit stories in the media.

Inspirational for the kids to train next to the Etihad. I completely get that and good luck to them.

Privacy for the 1st team? Could be achieved anywhere and I'm sure they're all going to appreciate the daily commute into the City centre.

 

[stony]

Yes, great for the academy kids involved and their parents. Great facilities etc etc.

However, there will be this great 100 acre development next to the City stadium which will be cordoned off from the local residents and matchday City fans. So while this development is obviously better than the wasteland it's being built on, as a property owner in the area, it's not something that gets me terribly excited.

They're building it to train the first team in privacy and to develop the best youngsters from an early age in the best possible environment.

I'm not exactly sure what you expect them to do. Did you really think they would open it to the public and stand by as every single minor training ground incident is blown out of proportion and sensationalised on the back page of the sun ?
I suspect most blues will be happy with the knowledge that our players will have the best possible facilities and aren't being distracted by bullshit stories in the media.

Inspirational for the kids to train next to the Etihad. I completely get that and good luck to them.

Privacy for the 1st team? Could be achieved anywhere and I'm sure they're all going to appreciate the daily commute into the City centre.

Can't be achieved at Carrington on account of a public footpath running next to it.
The publicity and resulting sponsorship from having everything all under one roof is another consideration. The amount of extra revenue will be significant.
The players can appreciate it all they want. For 100K a week I'd sit in a traffic jam all day.
There will be open days no doubt, but expecting to be able to stroll around the training ground is just not being realistic. No club would allow that.

 

[seafordblue]

They're building it to train the first team in privacy and to develop the best youngsters from an early age in the best possible environment.

I'm not exactly sure what you expect them to do. Did you really think they would open it to the public and stand by as every single minor training ground incident is blown out of proportion and sensationalised on the back page of the sun ?
I suspect most blues will be happy with the knowledge that our players will have the best possible facilities and aren't being distracted by bullshit stories in the media.

Inspirational for the kids to train next to the Etihad. I completely get that and good luck to them.

Privacy for the 1st team? Could be achieved anywhere and I'm sure they're all going to appreciate the daily commute into the City centre.

Can't be achieved at Carrington on account of a public footpath running next to it.
The publicity and resulting sponsorship from having everything all under one roof is another consideration. The amount of extra revenue will be significant.
The players can appreciate it all they want. For 100K a week I'd sit in a traffic jam all day.
There will be open days no doubt, but expecting to be able to stroll around the training ground is just not being realistic. No club would allow that.

Stony, I can't let your points go without reply, although I must get on and do some work!

Yes, I know Carrington has a footpath running alongside it. My point is, build it somewhere else for the 1st team where there isn't a footpath.

Yes, good publicity - Etihad campus etc, so is the main benefit of this site additional revenue?

I feel the commute may become an issue. If I was player x offered 100K to play for City but commute into the City centre traffic jams everyday or 100K to play for someone else with a gentle 10 minute country drive, it could be a major factor in my decision.

No other club would allow the public to stroll around their training grounds. Correct, but no other club has a training ground next to their stadium and close to the City centre.

 

[ancoats]

Inspirational for the kids to train next to the Etihad. I completely get that and good luck to them.

Privacy for the 1st team? Could be achieved anywhere and I'm sure they're all going to appreciate the daily commute into the City centre.

Can't be achieved at Carrington on account of a public footpath running next to it.
The publicity and resulting sponsorship from having everything all under one roof is another consideration. The amount of extra revenue will be significant.
The players can appreciate it all they want. For 100K a week I'd sit in a traffic jam all day.
There will be open days no doubt, but expecting to be able to stroll around the training ground is just not being realistic. No club would allow that.

Stony, I can't let your points go without reply, although I must get on and do some work!

Yes, I know Carrington has a footpath running alongside it. My point is, build it somewhere else for the 1st team where there isn't a footpath.

Yes, good publicity - Etihad campus etc, so is the main benefit of this site additional revenue?

I feel the commute may become an issue. If I was player x offered 100K to play for City but commute into the City centre traffic jams everyday or 100K to play for someone else with a gentle 10 minute country drive, it could be a major factor in my decision.

No other club would allow the public to stroll around their training grounds. Correct, but no other club has a training ground next to their stadium and close to the City centre.

what load of crap

1st the new Etihad campus is 2 miles from the city center and has 4 major roads linking the ring road

2nd its to build and bring all levels of Manchester city football club together
youth EDS and first team players all training at 1 place


we will have the best and first training camp that will be 2nd to none the money that been put up to build the eithad campus will last for years and years

 

[stony]

Inspirational for the kids to train next to the Etihad. I completely get that and good luck to them.

Privacy for the 1st team? Could be achieved anywhere and I'm sure they're all going to appreciate the daily commute into the City centre.

Can't be achieved at Carrington on account of a public footpath running next to it.
The publicity and resulting sponsorship from having everything all under one roof is another consideration. The amount of extra revenue will be significant.
The players can appreciate it all they want. For 100K a week I'd sit in a traffic jam all day.
There will be open days no doubt, but expecting to be able to stroll around the training ground is just not being realistic. No club would allow that.

Stony, I can't let your points go without reply, although I must get on and do some work!

Yes, I know Carrington has a footpath running alongside it. My point is, build it somewhere else for the 1st team where there isn't a footpath.

Yes, good publicity - Etihad campus etc, so is the main benefit of this site additional revenue?

I feel the commute may become an issue. If I was player x offered 100K to play for City but commute into the City centre traffic jams everyday or 100K to play for someone else with a gentle 10 minute country drive, it could be a major factor in my decision.

No other club would allow the public to stroll around their training grounds. Correct, but no other club has a training ground next to their stadium and close to the City centre.

It's quite an important benefit though, wouldn't you agree. Especially in the era of FFP.
The publicity and interest the campus will generate will be hugely beneficial. Potential new sponsors, great publicity etc. The plusses far outweigh the negatives. As for players not signing because of the drive into town. That's a pretty poor argument. I suspect most are driven by a desire to play for the best teams and chances to win medals and not how long it takes them to get to work. Any player that would make a decision based on his morning commute wouldn't be the right sort of player we would want anyway.
I don't see the training grounds proximity to the city centre as any reason why we should allow unrestricted access to the public. What exactly is your point there ?

 

[GXCity]

I think this is the general idea
-to keep a)press b)rival teams away from our training methods / tactics / training fights / missing players etc
other than the stadium corner

In all fairness SB, the pre-academy boys (U6,7,8) regularly play games against north west Junior football teams at Platt lane with the boys and their parents getting access to that site. So it should be the same for the new place.

Yes, great for the academy kids involved and their parents. Great facilities etc etc.

However, there will be this great 100 acre development next to the City stadium which will be cordoned off from the local residents and matchday City fans. So while this development is obviously better than the wasteland it's being built on, as a property owner in the area, it's not something that gets me terribly excited.

Will the Campus as a whole excite you? I guarantee it will and your house value will rocket.

Come back to me in 10 years time and maybe you won't be so negative.

 

[fbloke]

It's interesting, at least I think it is, that the new manager now has the final training session before a game at the Etihad.

The team also get together the night before away games where needed too. They have used hotels such as Malmaison (hence the short lived partnership.)

There are enough pitches at Carrington for the EDS etc to train too so why do they persist with Platt Lane?

If anyone has in their minds that the new academy site is simply some pitches and a gym used by the club then perhaps a revisit and rethink are needed?

In future the club will have a private facility where teams can train, learn, meet and rest together. All media work will also have a home there too meaning that the club has one, massive, world leading site for the club as a whole.

A site, might I add that WILL have controlled public access as well as a stadium where all levels of the clubs players - as well as community teams - can play.

And of course all of this investment is being ploughed (uniquely as far as I can tell) directly into the clubs spiritual home post codes.

I suppose the alternative would be Hough End?

 

[seafordblue]

A site, might I add that WILL have controlled public access as well as a stadium where all levels of the clubs players - as well as community teams - can play.

I was merely comparing City's new training ground to Spurs' where there is no public access. If City do grant controlled access for the public to the new campus then great.<br /><br />-- Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:27 am --<br /><br />

In all fairness SB, the pre-academy boys (U6,7,8) regularly play games against north west Junior football teams at Platt lane with the boys and their parents getting access to that site. So it should be the same for the new place.

Yes, great for the academy kids involved and their parents. Great facilities etc etc.

However, there will be this great 100 acre development next to the City stadium which will be cordoned off from the local residents and matchday City fans. So while this development is obviously better than the wasteland it's being built on, as a property owner in the area, it's not something that gets me terribly excited.

Will the Campus as a whole excite you? I guarantee it will and your house value will rocket.

Come back to me in 10 years time and maybe you won't be so negative.

I hope you're right GXCity. My property is still worth less than I paid for it 7 years ago!

 

[Carver]

Can't be achieved at Carrington on account of a public footpath running next to it.
The publicity and resulting sponsorship from having everything all under one roof is another consideration. The amount of extra revenue will be significant.
The players can appreciate it all they want. For 100K a week I'd sit in a traffic jam all day.
There will be open days no doubt, but expecting to be able to stroll around the training ground is just not being realistic. No club would allow that.

Stony, I can't let your points go without reply, although I must get on and do some work!

Yes, I know Carrington has a footpath running alongside it. My point is, build it somewhere else for the 1st team where there isn't a footpath.

Yes, good publicity - Etihad campus etc, so is the main benefit of this site additional revenue?

I feel the commute may become an issue. If I was player x offered 100K to play for City but commute into the City centre traffic jams everyday or 100K to play for someone else with a gentle 10 minute country drive, it could be a major factor in my decision.

No other club would allow the public to stroll around their training grounds. Correct, but no other club has a training ground next to their stadium and close to the City centre.

what load of crap

1st the new Etihad campus is 2 miles from the city center and has 4 major roads linking the ring road

2nd its to build and bring all levels of Manchester city football club together
youth EDS and first team players all training at 1 place


we will have the best and first training camp that will be 2nd to none the money that been put up to build the eithad campus will last for years and years

For those that live between Wilmslow and Knutsford Carrington is nearer. For those that live between Alderley Edge (centre of the golden triangle) and Macclesfield the new complex is nearer.

 

[kippaxblue76]

Yes, great for the academy kids involved and their parents. Great facilities etc etc.

However, there will be this great 100 acre development next to the City stadium which will be cordoned off from the local residents and matchday City fans. So while this development is obviously better than the wasteland it's being built on, as a property owner in the area, it's not something that gets me terribly excited.

They're building it to train the first team in privacy and to develop the best youngsters from an early age in the best possible environment.

I'm not exactly sure what you expect them to do. Did you really think they would open it to the public and stand by as every single minor training ground incident is blown out of proportion and sensationalised on the back page of the sun ?
I suspect most blues will be happy with the knowledge that our players will have the best possible facilities and aren't being distracted by bullshit stories in the media.

Inspirational for the kids to train next to the Etihad. I completely get that and good luck to them.

Privacy for the 1st team? Could be achieved anywhere and I'm sure they're all going to appreciate the daily commute into the City centre.

The daily commute for the players to start training around 11am will not be a problem at all, the roads around the development at that time of day are not clogged with traffic whatsoever.

 

[fbloke]

A site, might I add that WILL have controlled public access as well as a stadium where all levels of the clubs players - as well as community teams - can play.

I was merely comparing City's new training ground to Spurs' where there is no public access. If City do grant controlled access for the public to the new campus then great.

Its been the modus operandi of PL teams (and most teams TBH) to decamp to the leafy countryside where land is cheaper and they can sprawl as much as they like.

Such a set-up goes against everything that the current owners of City want. They want community links, access and engagement and lets be honest Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea, United and others are barely promoting that by being a couple of hours away from their fan base (or in United's case a 12 hour flight).

 

[fbloke]

I've just checked a few figures for those who see what CIty are doing as important and significance in where they are doing it.

New Training Centres

AFC - 143 acres of green field land (with broken promises of community engagement BTW)

CFC - 140 acres of green field land

EFC - 55 acres green belt land

THFC - 77 acres green belt land

 

[somapop]

I'm aghast that some think the small negatives (subjective) hold sway over the huge positives this development/campus brings to the area, the club and the City as a whole.
Aghast.

 

[ancoats]

They're building it to train the first team in privacy and to develop the best youngsters from an early age in the best possible environment.

I'm not exactly sure what you expect them to do. Did you really think they would open it to the public and stand by as every single minor training ground incident is blown out of proportion and sensationalised on the back page of the sun ?
I suspect most blues will be happy with the knowledge that our players will have the best possible facilities and aren't being distracted by bullshit stories in the media.

Inspirational for the kids to train next to the Etihad. I completely get that and good luck to them.

Privacy for the 1st team? Could be achieved anywhere and I'm sure they're all going to appreciate the daily commute into the City centre.

The daily commute for the players to start training around 11am will not be a problem at all, the roads around the development at that time of day are not clogged with traffic whatsoever.

they can also use the tram
hahahahaha

 

[OxBlue]

I've just checked a few figures for those who see what CIty are doing as important and significance in where they are doing it.

New Training Centres

AFC - 143 acres of green field land (with broken promises of community engagement BTW)

CFC - 140 acres of green field land

EFC - 55 acres green belt land

THFC - 77 acres green belt land

How many acres is our development? Albeit on brownfield site.

 

[Matty]

I've just checked a few figures for those who see what CIty are doing as important and significance in where they are doing it.

New Training Centres

AFC - 143 acres of green field land (with broken promises of community engagement BTW)

CFC - 140 acres of green field land

EFC - 55 acres green belt land

THFC - 77 acres green belt land

I assume City's is brownfield, and similar in size to the THFC one?