Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site

[barney*]

Alan Turing Way is closed Friday and Saturday nights to facilitate the bridge building work

 

[jrb]

Alan Turing Way is closed Friday and Saturday nights to facilitate the bridge building work

Thanks for that Barney.

Will nip down after I get back from Norwich. Hopefully I can be arsed?

 

[Marvin]

Its a fantastic way of letting news leak out.

I think we covered the links to AD and UFC on here quite well both before and after Garry Cook's employment.

And there are enough of us who expect that "mini"-multi purpose arena on the collar site now.

Its an ideal marriage and no doubt just one of a few similar projects that will involve IP sales.

Remember that anything that uses the MCFC badge or brand is OK for FFP revenue purposes wherever it happens globally.

All good.

Until UEFA change the rules

 

[jrb]

Alan Turing Way is closed Friday and Saturday nights to facilitate the bridge building work

Thanks for that Barney.

Will nip down after I get back from Norwich. Hopefully I can be arsed?

 

[simonmdm]

Alan Turing Way is closed Friday and Saturday nights to facilitate the bridge building work

Exciting news!

How long will it take for the bridge to be open for the the public to use then?

 

[jrb]

Is anyone seeing the titles? Only the link and file sizes are showing up on my S3.

The stadium expansion minutes must be one of these links.

Anyone care to find it and post a link it?

Thanks.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.manchester.gov.uk/meetings/meeting/2000/planning_and_highways_committee" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.manchester.gov.uk/meetings/m ... _committee</a>

 

[Anonymous]

Is anyone seeing the titles? Only the link and file sizes are showing up on my S3.

The stadium expansion minutes must be one of these links.

Anyone care to find it and post a link it?

Thanks.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.manchester.gov.uk/meetings/meeting/2000/planning_and_highways_committee" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.manchester.gov.uk/meetings/m ... _committee</a>

It's the 12th link down that is 1.48Mb. It is 68 pages long and every time I try to open it, it downloads and opens in Preview rather than in a Safari Tab so can't link it unfortunately.

Apologies for the long post, but after a quick skim read, the quotes I thought were interesting (or at least the bits I understood) in it include:

Alterations to the Etihad Stadium, including increasing the overall height of the South and North stands and associated elevational alterations, to allow an increase each stand capacity by up to 6,250 seats respectively and up to 2,000 additional pitch side seats creating a total match day capacity of up to 62,170 seats (from 47,670), expansions of concourse facilities, alteration to public realm including changes landscaping and boundary treatments and associated infrastructure works

…and…

The applicant is seeking planning permission for alterations to the Etihad Stadium, including increasing the overall height of the South and North stands and associated elevational alterations, to allow an increase of each stand capacity by up to 6,250 seats respectively and up to 2,000 additional pitch side seats creating a total match day capacity of up to 62,170 seats (from 47,670). The works also include expansions of concourse facilities, alteration to public realm, including changes to landscaping and boundary treatments and associated infrastructure works.
The infrastructure works include proposals to expand the parking controls in the area surrounding the stadium and means to encourage non car journeys. Additionally, the applicant is proposing a new community use plan to cater for stadium and outreach activity, a local labour agreement and means to assist with waste management in the area.

It goes on to talk about consultations, environmental considerations, the Manchester Core Development Policy Document, The Guide to Development in Manchester Supplementary Planning Document and Planning Guidance (Adopted 2007), East Manchester Strategic Regeneration Framework (2008-2018), Eastlands Regeneration Framework SRF (July 2011) and the National Planning Policy Framework.

No idea what any of those docs/policies are - apologies I'm more know nothing fuck-wit than expert - but thought they might serve some of you experts well and provide further indicators of what's to come?

Then we come onto:

Siting/layout/capacity
Policies EN1 and EC7 of the Core Strategy requires that consideration be given to layout of new developments and that developments should take advantage of important frontages such as Alan Turing Way and Ashton New Road. Extant policy E3.3 of the UDP seeks to upgrade the appearance of the major radial road routes in the City and encourage developments of the highest quality.
The existing south stand abuts closely to Ashton New Road whilst the existing north stand is located directly opposite Joe Mercer Way and City Square. In addition, there are views of the north stand for those travelling north/south along Alan Turning Way. Both stands are considered to hold important positions in the street scene and wider area therefore any external alterations provide an opportunity to have a positive impact and enhance views of the stadium along these major roads.

The external alterations to the stands will also result in the reorganisation of the internal spaces and layout within the stadium along with alterations to the external concourse.

The external concourse ring is approximately 29,000 sqm and is currently larger than required for the capacity of the stadium which only needs an external concourse of 24,000 sqm. With both stands expanded, the size of the external concourse will increase to 30,500 sqm which will include alterations to the size of City Square and other ancillary features. Increasing the size of the concourse is considered to be acceptable in order that it continues to provide a safe environment for the proposed increase in capacity of the stadium.

Inside the stadium, there will be alterations at all levels with the exception of the mezzanine level. The lower tier will accommodate an additional 2,000 pitch side seats which will consists of 3 extra rows. This will be achieved by re-profiling the pitch run off and stepping the new rows down below the current ground level. At the main lower concourse, a new general admission internal concourse space will be created. The entry turnstiles and exit will be moved in line with the extended stands along with additional WC facilities. The current level of food and drink facilities at this level will accommodate the increase in capacity as a consequence of the proposed works.

There are limited alterations to the seating within the club tier. However, there will be an expansion of the club tier internal concourse offer in the form of the creation of the 911 and 330 clubs. These will be corporate spaces located within the north and south stands and will be accessed via the new stair cores. A sports bar environment will be created which are afforded views over City square from the north stand and the City training academy to the south. These new facilities will serve the 900 padded seats currently located in the east and west stands. New food, drink and WC facilities will be created.

At the box level, a new legends lounge will be created in the south stand to replace the existing facility. The new facility will be larger than the existing and will be a dual aspect space providing pitch and external views. The facility will also allow for 784 spectators to sit in the seating bowl directly in front of the lounge, plus 534 seats in the corners across the stadium. The similar space created within the north stand will not be fitted out immediately; however, access to additional seating within the bowl will be made available via the club level concourse.

Within the upper concourse a new upper tier will be created in the south and north stands creating 5,591 new seats within each stand. These will be for general admission offer. Access will be provided by the new stair cores built around the masts and new turnstiles will be introduced along with new lifts. An external balcony will connect the new upper internal concourse via the end ramps to the existing upper east and west concourses.
At the plant/roof level, there will be new plant rooms created within each stand to support the expanded stadium and new facilities.

In terms of away supporters, they will continue to be segregated in the south stand in the lower and mid tiers. For a fully expanded stadium, there will be 9325 seats available for away supporters – 2524 seats in the lower tier, 1990 split over the club and box tiers with the remainder in the upper tier. Should the south stand only be expanded, there will be 8088 seats provided, 2072 seats in the lower tier and 1572 split over the club and box tiers with the balance in the upper tier.

The increase in capacity at the stadium will allow the applicant to provide additional capacity for concerts which take place outside of the football season. The use of the pitch, plus the lower tier, provides a capacity of 37,740. Within the club tier 8,865 seats will be provided along with 1,055 in the box tier. There will be 16,174 in the upper tier which will be a total capacity of 63,834. However, this figure is likely to be slightly lower, by approximately 2,000, to take account of capacity losses for sound equipment etc.

Overall the expansion of the stadium will provide an opportunity for the north and south stands to maximise their relationship with the surrounding roads networks. The internal alterations will allow for enhanced viewing for spectators of the football pitch and at concerts. The internal reconfiguration of the spaces will provide new facilities improving the visitor experience to the stadium.

It then goes on about the height of the stadium and impact to locals etc. However it does mention:

If the south stand is built only, the stadium may appear unbalanced as the heavier massing will be positioned at the south stand. However, it will only be distant views which will reveal the unbalance between the north and the south stand, which will be negated once the north stand is complete.

So sounds like we are still undecided about both or just one for now?

The roof design is described thusly:

The proposed development will see the introduction of a new Kalzip roof canopy that which will sit above the existing cable structure. The proposed roof will be lightweight and suspended from masts as per the original design. A thin edge will be used as existing and defined by lighting. The south stand will have a greater extent of translucent polycarbonate material to take advantage of the sun light which will aid defrosting of the pitches and allow sun light for pitch growth.
In order to complement the design of the original stadium, two new masts will be introduced at the north and south stands which will support 8 cables. These will be stabilised by a single line of backstay cables. These backstay cables will be anchored at the top of the seating bowl level. The position of the new masts has been chosen to reflect the position of the existing mast and cables. A new rainwater system will be installed allowing the new roof to drain forward to a gutter near the front edge and then down downpipes.

It does state there will be no ramps for moving spectators (i.e. spirals) in either the North or South Stands but:

This marks a deviation from the current design. However, given these stands position along Ashton New Road and opposite Joe Mercer Way, it is considered that embedding the staircase within the stand is more appropriate way of keeping the external facades clutter free allowing the elevational treatment to have the maximum impact. A steel mesh is proposed for these stair cores up to the upper concourse to allow movement to be seen within the building on match and event days.
The remainder of the facades will be made up of a flush flat grey metal panels and transparent glazing. This glazing will be fritted to provide a transition between the solid and clear elements with louvers also being grey to match the panels. Figure two shows the design of the proposed stadium including the material composition and lighting.

It specifically mentions the facades for the North & South Stands:

Consideration has been given to a digital system with the mesh sections of the building which would be effective during dusk.

We then get more Environmental Impact stuff and then Transport & Parking - not c&p-ing as this post is likely to take up about 8 pages on its own. It finally goes on about a load of stuff I didn't understand so am not about to describe it (considerations, policies and stuff).

 

[Damocles]

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.manchester.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/16485/download_the_report" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.manchester.gov.uk/download/m ... the_report</a>

Is the link

 

[Anonymous]

http://www.manchester.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/16485/download_the_report

Is the link

There you go - always better when a grown up gets involved.

 

[blueparrot]

Its a fantastic way of letting news leak out.

I think we covered the links to AD and UFC on here quite well both before and after Garry Cook's employment.

And there are enough of us who expect that "mini"-multi purpose arena on the collar site now.

Its an ideal marriage and no doubt just one of a few similar projects that will involve IP sales.

Remember that anything that uses the MCFC badge or brand is OK for FFP revenue purposes wherever it happens globally.

So is it right that we could have affiliated teams of many sports Basketball, Ice Hockey etc. all paying the parent club IP sales ? As well as income from concerts, conferences etc,. Assuming the arena belongs to the club, it would be another venue that attracts a sponsor.
Is the collar sight project in partnership with the council ? If so I presume some income is shared with the council.