Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site

[gouldybob]

Went up today and had a nosey at the new renders and changes to the "exhibition" . Confirms what we've already been talking about but did also mention consideration of additional rows of seats at the front of the stands to bring the crowd closer to the pitch. As we're already at ground level this I assume means dropping the pitch for something like 1000 seats a row, rather than re profiling the lower tiers.

Seats will be lost to Champions League advertising, and personally wouldn't sit their if they were free, but if this came off then puts us up towards 65,000.

 

[HelloCity]

What ever happened to those users who emphatically stated that it was absolutely impossible to expand the Etihad?

They used to pull out all these diagrams to prove their point and say how they'd spoken with people who did the original design etc.

I was one who said that due to the roof design it was very difficult,not impossible, to expand and many agreed, also that any solution would be very costly. If you look at the compromised solution it encompasses the primary structure (CableNet) of the original roof, including building around the ground anchor points. So I would suggest that myself and others have been proven right. I would also venture to suggest that the logistics and the timeline will add to the cost, worth it though as very few spectators will be inconvenienced Futher development solution for the East & West stands will be interesting

Proven right about what?

I don't think anyone ever denied it would be difficult or expensive.

I'm referring to those who said it would not be possible.

 

[Falastur]

What ever happened to those users who emphatically stated that it was absolutely impossible to expand the Etihad?

They used to pull out all these diagrams to prove their point and say how they'd spoken with people who did the original design etc.

I was one who said that due to the roof design it was very difficult,not impossible, to expand and many agreed, also that any solution would be very costly. If you look at the compromised solution it encompasses the primary structure (CableNet) of the original roof, including building around the ground anchor points. So I would suggest that myself and others have been proven right. I would also venture to suggest that the logistics and the timeline will add to the cost, worth it though as very few spectators will be inconvenienced Futher development solution for the East & West stands will be interesting

Proven right about what?

I don't think anyone ever denied it would be difficult or expensive.

I'm referring to those who said it would not be possible.

Technically, what people said is that the structural integrity of the roof would (or, might) fail if the torsion ring created by the centre of the roof and held up by the pillars with the cables was broken. People then suggested that that would make expanding to be too difficult. It still may prove possible that City has to improvise with the construction so that the torsion ring is never broken, in which case City would be doing what most construction companies would consider impractical, thus somewhat vindicating those who said it wasn't realistic.

 

[MadchesterCity]

Campus looks awesome

 

[GXCity]

Read section 4.6 of the doc that JRB has given the link for and it says...


So there you have it. Confirmation in writing (other than informed hearsay) that there are plans tucked away to extend the sides too at some time in the future...

As I have said many times. The plans are in place and have been for a long time. Once we consistently fill the proposed 60k expansion, further expansion will be implemented.

And once the first few phases of the collar site are open then I don't see why we can't do that. The 80k stadium is probably a good 10 - 15 years off but it will happen.

Remind me. When did our owner say he was f@cking off?

GX I know you said this in the past, and apologies if I slighted you, it was just that ONLY YOU who'd said it. on here. now its well out in the public domain from officially sanctioned sources. and Rags should now be officially worried that one day The Swamp may only be the second biggest stadium in Manchester... ha ha !!!

I don't remember you slighting me at all mate so no problem here.

Certain other regular posters on here are now hopefully realising that what I have posted is true and it is now slowly coming out into the public domain. Remember that the initial expansion wasn't going to happen for 10 - 15 years according to some! :)

Next up the Collar site!

 

[nwhn3]

As I have said many times. The plans are in place and have been for a long time. Once we consistently fill the proposed 60k expansion, further expansion will be implemented.

And once the first few phases of the collar site are open then I don't see why we can't do that. The 80k stadium is probably a good 10 - 15 years off but it will happen.

Remind me. When did our owner say he was f@cking off?

GX I know you said this in the past, and apologies if I slighted you, it was just that ONLY YOU who'd said it. on here. now its well out in the public domain from officially sanctioned sources. and Rags should now be officially worried that one day The Swamp may only be the second biggest stadium in Manchester... ha ha !!!

I don't remember you slighting me at all mate so no problem here.

Certain other regular posters on here are now hopefully realising that what I have posted is true and it is now slowly coming out into the public domain. Remember that the initial expansion wasn't going to happen for 10 - 15 years according to some! :)

Next up the Collar site!

Can you give any sort of time frames regarding the collar site

 

[Gordyola]

What ever happened to those users who emphatically stated that it was absolutely impossible to expand the Etihad?

They used to pull out all these diagrams to prove their point and say how they'd spoken with people who did the original design etc.

I was one who said that due to the roof design it was very difficult,not impossible, to expand and many agreed, also that any solution would be very costly. If you look at the compromised solution it encompasses the primary structure (CableNet) of the original roof, including building around the ground anchor points. So I would suggest that myself and others have been proven right. I would also venture to suggest that the logistics and the timeline will add to the cost, worth it though as very few spectators will be inconvenienced Futher development solution for the East & West stands will be interesting

Proven right about what?

I don't think anyone ever denied it would be difficult or expensive.

I'm referring to those who said it would not be possible.

Proven right that the primary structure of the current roof had to be maintained UNLESS it was totally removed.

 

[flipmode]

GX I know you said this in the past, and apologies if I slighted you, it was just that ONLY YOU who'd said it. on here. now its well out in the public domain from officially sanctioned sources. and Rags should now be officially worried that one day The Swamp may only be the second biggest stadium in Manchester... ha ha !!!

I don't remember you slighting me at all mate so no problem here.

Certain other regular posters on here are now hopefully realising that what I have posted is true and it is now slowly coming out into the public domain. Remember that the initial expansion wasn't going to happen for 10 - 15 years according to some! :)

Next up the Collar site!

Can you give any sort of time frames regarding the collar site

I heard 10-15 years from someone ITK... ;)

 

[DiscoSteve]

As I have said many times. The plans are in place and have been for a long time. Once we consistently fill the proposed 60k expansion, further expansion will be implemented.

And once the first few phases of the collar site are open then I don't see why we can't do that. The 80k stadium is probably a good 10 - 15 years off but it will happen.

Remind me. When did our owner say he was f@cking off?

GX I know you said this in the past, and apologies if I slighted you, it was just that ONLY YOU who'd said it. on here. now its well out in the public domain from officially sanctioned sources. and Rags should now be officially worried that one day The Swamp may only be the second biggest stadium in Manchester... ha ha !!!

I don't remember you slighting me at all mate so no problem here.

Certain other regular posters on here are now hopefully realising that what I have posted is true and it is now slowly coming out into the public domain. Remember that the initial expansion wasn't going to happen for 10 - 15 years according to some! :)

Next up the Collar site!

I'm now officially concerned that we're going to run out of developments/expansions/world-beating-attractions to talk about!

I mean, we've had the collarsite cleanup, the analine site cleanup, the Metrolink Line build, the academy build, the sixth form college build, the bridge build, the initial stadium expansion, confirmation of final stadium expansion possibilities - there's only the collar site left? we need to start further rumours about ASDA demolition...

Oh hang on... where are we with the North Car Parks?

 

[casualdeyna]

It was Alistair Macintosh the then chief-exec who categorically said stadium couldn't be expanded, stadium was designed to hold 48k and no more.

Obviously at the time of saying this he didn't know we'd become rich enough to build almost anything we wanted, as others have pointed out with enough money to throw at a problem pretty much anything can be achieved.

The biggest problem was the roof but presumably the foundations was also a problem but don't underestimate building technology moves on and it's over a decade since stadium was built.

So it's not going to be a case of just throwing an extra tier on like we've seen at other grounds but clearly not only is it do-able it's happening.

I'd be surprised if both ends aren't done either at same time or couple of years apart, the Etihad is a symmetrical stadium so would imagine you'd want to keep that look as much as possible. I'm also certain the expansion won't stop there but it will when demand dictates.