EU referendum deal (title edited)

This is not a deal. This is a fudge. Cameron going all round the show, coming back with nowt and telling us he got everything he asked for! I would trust Cameron as much as I would trust any politician. On a scale of 0-10 I'm on -49!
He's used the country for his own parties needs. This is an attempt to appease them over anything else.
 
I think the strongest reason for leaving the EU is that its become a completely unwieldy institution, incapable of sensible decision making. 28 diverse countries pulling in different directions.

But that's also the reason why I think it would be impossible for the UK to negotiate a favourable trade deal post Brexit. If the UK were negotiating with a completely integrated EU then money would prevail. The imperative to avoid negative trade consequences would be paramount. But that's not what will happen. The UK will ostensibly negotiate with the EU, but in reality will have to negotiate a deal that is acceptable to all of the other 27 countries. And those 27 countries all have their internal political considerations.

The northern EU countries such as Germany & France will be heavily leaned on by their big exporting companies. Money will be their primary consideration. But its not the be all and end all. Trade with the UK comprises roughly 8% of their exports, a sizeable amount but not critical. They will face huge internal political pressures from voters who will be aghast at the prospect of the UK escaping its obligations to the EU whilst retaining favourable trading links.

For other EU countries, especially those in eastern Europe, trade just isn't as big deal as free movement of labour, They would happily veto a deal that allowed the UK to impose restrictions on EU immigration or curtailed benefits payments.

Add to the mix the EU bureaucrats who will be desperate to avoid contagion, other EU countries seeing that the UK is prospering outside of the EU and deciding to do the same,

In the end there will be a trade deal. But not a good one.
 
i would like to read, preferably contained within half a sheet of A4, exactly what the benefits are in belonging to an organisation for which we seem to be paying not just through the noise but every other bodily orifice! And the other half of the sheet could contain the downside and if we are, commercially and economically, gonna see the raw arse of a Lithuanian winter for twelve months a year were we to fuck Europe off!!
 
I think the strongest reason for leaving the EU is that its become a completely unwieldy institution, incapable of sensible decision making. 28 diverse countries pulling in different directions.

But that's also the reason why I think it would be impossible for the UK to negotiate a favourable trade deal post Brexit. If the UK were negotiating with a completely integrated EU then money would prevail. The imperative to avoid negative trade consequences would be paramount. But that's not what will happen. The UK will ostensibly negotiate with the EU, but in reality will have to negotiate a deal that is acceptable to all of the other 27 countries. And those 27 countries all have their internal political considerations.

The northern EU countries such as Germany & France will be heavily leaned on by their big exporting companies. Money will be their primary consideration. But its not the be all and end all. Trade with the UK comprises roughly 8% of their exports, a sizeable amount but not critical. They will face huge internal political pressures from voters who will be aghast at the prospect of the UK escaping its obligations to the EU whilst retaining favourable trading links.

For other EU countries, especially those in eastern Europe, trade just isn't as big deal as free movement of labour, They would happily veto a deal that allowed the UK to impose restrictions on EU immigration or curtailed benefits payments.

Add to the mix the EU bureaucrats who will be desperate to avoid contagion, other EU countries seeing that the UK is prospering outside of the EU and deciding to do the same,

In the end there will be a trade deal. But not a good one.
This argument always makes me smile. Leaving the EU is such a good idea that the rest of the EU can't afford for it to succeed. Doesn't sound like an organisation worth protecting to me.
 
i would like to read, preferably contained within half a sheet of A4, exactly what the benefits are in belonging to an organisation for which we seem to be paying not just through the noise but every other bodily orifice! And the other half of the sheet could contain the downside and if we are, commercially and economically, gonna see the raw arse of a Lithuanian winter for twelve months a year were we to fuck Europe off!!
To be honest I think we all would like a layman guide for both sides rather than the fudged pseudo intellectual crap we'll get.
 
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This argument always makes me smile. Leaving the EU is such a good idea that the rest of the EU can't afford for it to succeed. Doesn't sound like an organisation worth protecting to me.

It isnt
 
We vote to leave and it will take years to untangle ourselves from all the red tape and rules we are obliged by law to follow.

Stay in and we become even more entwined in the EU.


Hmmmmm...
 
We vote to leave and it will take years to untangle ourselves from all the red tape and rules we are obliged by law to follow.

Stay in and we become even more entwined in the EU.


Hmmmmm...

At least leaving will be a short term pain and we take our own future back. The last thing this country needs is to be lost in some sort of European super state run for the French and Germans benefit.
 

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