i think its been well documented in the press, and here is one from only yesterday in the evening news
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...store-levenshulme-illegal-immigrants-10908825
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i think its been well documented in the press, and here is one from only yesterday in the evening news
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...store-levenshulme-illegal-immigrants-10908825
i think its been well documented in the press, and here is one from only yesterday in the evening news
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...store-levenshulme-illegal-immigrants-10908825
Firstly we are talking about migrants, not illegal immigrants. Secondly you're blaming migrants for stopping other people getting a job because bosses are breaking the law by employing illegal immigrants. Okay.
That's like trying to ban children because some people are paedophiles.
What confidence do people have that a deal can be agreed and delivered today, or this weekend even?
To me it all appears to be very fragile and anything that is agreed could be scuppered within days, possibly hours, once delegates go back to their own countries and the protests, anger and riots begin.
I have no confidence in Cameron, I think he has bitten off way more than he can chew and he will end up looking a right idiot.... if that doesn't happen today it will within the next week or month.
To me it all appears to be very fragile and anything that is agreed could be scuppered within days, possibly hours, once delegates go back to their own countries and the protests, anger and riots begin.
I have no confidence in Cameron, I think he has bitten off way more than he can chew and he will end up looking a right idiot.... if that doesn't happen today it will within the next week or month.
grunge
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i think its been well documented in the press, and here is one from only yesterday in the evening news
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...store-levenshulme-illegal-immigrants-10908825
Ah, there is a big difference between Legal and Illegal immigrants though, Migrants add to our economy, illegals dont ( outside of VAT )
blueonblue
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Stay in = Continued free trade, continued free movement in Europe to work or travel, being part of one of the biggest trading blocks on the planet. Have a seat at the European table
Leave = Lots of unknowns. Lots of trade negotiations to try to work that out, will probably pay as much as we do already to be part of the trade group.
Except "Continued free trade" is not free at all, it costs billions a year to be a member, that is an added cost to all goods bought and sold.
Its a nonsense to even try and suggest that we need to be a part of any trade group, the demand for our goods will not go away, in fact without having to pay the EU kickback they will be cheaper to produce.
"Free movement to work or travel" translates into no control over our own borders, why on earth do we need to import labour when we have mass unemployment other than to undermine pay and working conditions ?, an just who ends up paying both in monetary terms an long waiting lists for the increased needs in education,housing, social needs of these un- required "Workers" ( Funny how there appears to be a lot of these not working).
Having a seat at the European table ?, now your having a laugh, besides the simple math that tells you one voice among many counts for very little, the fact that we have never changed anything proves it.
All that can ever happen within the EU is that we get shafted, there stated aim is a single state with monetary union, thats where its going, so the only question is do you want to go with it ?
Firstly we are talking about migrants, not illegal immigrants. Secondly you're blaming migrants for stopping other people getting a job because bosses are breaking the law by employing illegal immigrants. Okay.
That's like trying to ban children because some people are paedophiles.
it's absolutely nothing like that, what a strange thing to say
Does anyone think like me that the EU, European Parliament, European Council etc.... are more than likely as corrupt as FIFA, if not worse?
It doesn't help me think clearly when this is a constant nagging voice at the back of my mind.
It doesn't help me think clearly when this is a constant nagging voice at the back of my mind.
Blue Hefner
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If anyone is waiting for politicians or the media to give them the facts on which to make a decision then they will be waiting a long time
The undecided, or even the decided for that matter, will have to do their own research as those in power only want to feather their own nest
The undecided, or even the decided for that matter, will have to do their own research as those in power only want to feather their own nest
urmston
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Does anyone think like me that the EU, European Parliament, European Council etc.... are more than likely as corrupt as FIFA, if not worse?
It doesn't help me think clearly when this is a constant nagging voice at the back of my mind.
The pay, pensions and expenses of EU bureaucrats and MEPs leave me in no doubt at all.
Then there is the outright corruption - or 'bending the rules as it is sometimes called.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-europe-corruption-strasser-idUKBRE90D0TR20130114
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/guilty-ex-prime-minister-keeps-47000-pension-8126.html
The more Cameron comes out saying things like "we're prepared to work until Sunday to get a deal" and "I worked until 5am and I'm back at it again trying (I think he means he's desparate) to get a deal" the less confident I am that any deal reached (if there is one) will be worth the paper that it's written on.
He is going to look incredibly weak and stupid at the end of these talks
He is going to look incredibly weak and stupid at the end of these talks