EU referendum deal (title edited)

[grunge]

Except "Continued free trade" is not free at all, it costs billions a year to be a member, that is an added cost to all goods bought and sold.

And we would be paying as much, if not more to access the trading block if we exit.

Its a nonsense to even try and suggest that we need to be a part of any trade group, the demand for our goods will not go away, in fact without having to pay the EU kickback they will be cheaper to produce.

if we're not part of a trading group we will get absolutely destroyed when trying to import goods in the same way small corner shops get hammered by Tesco's.

"Free movement to work or travel" translates into no control over our own borders, why on earth do we need to import labour when we have mass unemployment other than to undermine pay and working conditions ?, an just who ends up paying both in monetary terms an long waiting lists for the increased needs in education,housing, social needs of these un- required "Workers" ( Funny how there appears to be a lot of these not working).

That migration goes both ways, there are a very large amount of people from the UK working in Europe. And what happens to the migrants here and our migrants over there is a big question mark that needs to be answered, as for increased needs in education, hiring an immigrant is basically getting 1 free worker that we didn't need to pay to educate!. yeah there are family considerations to think about but again, its not a one way street.

Having a seat at the European table ?, now your having a laugh, besides the simple math that tells you one voice among many counts for very little, the fact that we have never changed anything proves it.

We have a seat and have at least some influence, we can and have vetoed actions in the past. if we leave we wont have any say at all.

All that can ever happen within the EU is that we get shafted, there stated aim is a single state with monetary union, thats where its going, so the only question is do you want to go with it ?

If you class what we have now is us being shafted by the EU, imagine leaving, being shafter by the EU anyways and then being shafted by every other country we want to trade with.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Grunge.... To your first point above.

Will we be charging the likes of Mercedes, VW, nPower and all the other European corporations and Businesses similar penalties for trading with us?

Like I posted earlier, 3m jobs in the UK are dependent upon the EU trading with us, 5 million EU jobs depend upon them trading with the U.K. Trading, which I hasten to add, will undoubtedly continue.

To the rest of your post. It seems you think we as a nation are incompetent and incapable of doing global trade without having the EU holding our hand.... really?

 

[hgblue]

Grunge.... To your first point above.

Will we be charging the likes of Mercedes, VW, nPower and all the other European corporations and Businesses similar penalties for trading with us?

Like I posted earlier, 3m jobs in the UK are dependent upon the EU trading with us, 5 million EU jobs depend upon them trading with the U.K. Trading, which I hasten to add, will undoubtedly continue.

To the rest of your post. It seems you think we as a nation are incompetent and incapable of doing global trade without having the EU holding our hand.... really?

I'd love to be at the meeting when Merkel informs the CEOs of Mercedes, VW and BMW that all their exports to Britain will be subject to large tariffs, because politicians were a bit miffed that the British people had voted to leave the EU. The idea that there would be some sort of trade war which would plunge an already struggling Eurozone into outright recession is scaremongering by desperate inners.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Hey, Vinny, BBC news is reporting that the Belgians are telling folk that this is the last chance for the UK. Good for the Belgians that we didn't adopt the same stance when the Chairmans decided to effect the Schlieffen Plan. Yer soon find out who yer friends are when their interest is marginally brushed by a feather or two!

 

[BigJoe#1]

I'd love to be at the meeting when Merkel informs the CEOs of Mercedes, VW and BMW that all their exports to Britain will be subject to large tariffs, because politicians were a bit miffed that the British people had voted to leave the EU. The idea that there would be some sort of trade war which would plunge an already struggling Eurozone into outright recession is scaremongering by desperate inners.

Correct.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

I'd love to be at the meeting when Merkel informs the CEOs of Mercedes, VW and BMW that all their exports to Britain will be subject to large tariffs, because politicians were a bit miffed that the British people had voted to leave the EU. The idea that there would be some sort of trade war which would plunge an already struggling Eurozone into outright recession is scaremongering by desperate inners.

If there is gonna be a trade war, which I think is highly unlikely as I don't recall a trade war before 1974 between those outside the Common Market as it was then and the rest of the world, I wish those who suggest it would provide an ounce of explanation as to how, where, when, and under what circumstances it would develop. In the absence of such, I'm led to believe it is nothing but scaremongering.

 

[smudgedj]

I'd love to be at the meeting when Merkel informs the CEOs of Mercedes, VW and BMW that all their exports to Britain will be subject to large tariffs, because politicians were a bit miffed that the British people had voted to leave the EU. The idea that there would be some sort of trade war which would plunge an already struggling Eurozone into outright recession is scaremongering by desperate inners.

Business investment depends on profits not politics. Which inners have seemed to have forgotten.

 

[grunge]

To the rest of your post. It seems you think we as a nation are incompetent and incapable of doing global trade without having the EU holding our hand.... really?

Its nothing to do with the EU holding hands, its everything to do with us having to negotiate all the trade negotiations again and every country out there will be in it to have the best deal for them, not us. we will have a very poor hand compared to being in a massive trading block like the EU. and I dont think we as a nation are incompetent, but I do think most of our politicians are and would also do everything they could to line there own pockets over the national interest.

The only way we will ever know is to have it happen,

the biggest question would be how quickly could we arrange those trade deals and how much they would cost us.

 

[CityStu]

Its nothing to do with the EU holding hands, its everything to do with us having to negotiate all the trade negotiations again and every country out there will be in it to have the best deal for them, not us. we will have a very poor hand compared to being in a massive trading block like the EU. and I dont think we as a nation are incompetent, but I do think most of our politicians are and would also do everything they could to line there own pockets over the national interest.

The only way we will ever know is to have it happen,

the biggest question would be how quickly could we arrange those trade deals and how much they would cost us.

Trade deals can benefit us as well and given we're net importers of the majority of physical goods, I'd say we have a fairly strong hand. You compared the UK to a corner shop earlier - only the US, China, Japan and Germany have larger economies.

I'm sure some arrangement could be held temporarily, i.e. we keep all of the trade deals that the EU had with external countries until we get round to organising a new deal for the UK. I'd certainly say that's more likely than all UK trading grinding to a halt.

 

[Silva_Spell]

Cameron failing to get a shitty deal done. He'd be perfect at the Swamp