EU referendum deal (title edited)

[Tim of the Oak]

Good. That means less fucking Audi & BMW drivers. That's a clincher for me.

Haha. I discriminate more on the coulour of the cars. I'm very wary of people driving white cars who think they are exempt from the highway code!

 

[TonyM]

The point is that the EU is built on a set of lies and deliberate misinformation. Originally it was the lie that you could have a trading bloc without financial integration. The the lie that you could have financial integration without political integration. Then it was the lie that you could integrate countries who were financial basket cases.

Well said.

And the very simple lie that you can have political integration without a common language.

Another is the lack of a standard practice for people to have a say in the evolution of the EU. It was bad enough that Ireland had to repeat referendums until the EU got what they wanted but where were the referendums in the other countries for all these changes to voting etc? How people don't see that as devious is beyond me.

The EU has grown into something that I think most people never wanted. It is now a PC version of the Soviet Block. Sadly if the UK votes to stay in I think the EU will become even more controlling for all of Europe and God knows where that'll bring us.

The best thing for everyone imo is for Britain to go alone for a few years, for the EU to drop some ridiculous notions and eventually for them to attract Britain back into an EU 2.0 that is truly for the people. Everyone's a winner. :-)

Butterflies and rainbows galore!

 

[Tim of the Oak]

How so ?
Nato has been the main reason for peace and that is nothing to do with the EU or it's predecessor the Common Market

The history of the coal and steel partnerships with Germany and France that ultimately led to the Common Market and EU was driven by the need to avoid more wars!

 

[Tim of the Oak]

And Chamberlain assured us that letting Hitler take over the Sudetenland meant the end of his ambitions in Europe.

Is Merkel the new Hitler?

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Peace and security in Western Europe has ensued because of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation, all military decisions,
all major purchases, every military exercise, has been within the remit of that organisation. There is no separate group
within the EU cooperating on defence, to my knowledge, and even if there were it would not overule any NATO directives.
Whether we're in or out of the EU, our security has nothing to do with it.

What you said is largely true but ignores the origins of the EU to prevent more wars

 

[hilts]

Is Merkel the new Hitler?

That's a bit extreme hitler liked animals at least

 

[roaminblue]

I think I am, but my point is still valid, the CBI cannot be viewed as a paragon of impartial virtue on why we should stay in.

Absolutely no one in this debate can be viewed as a paragon of virtue, but I'd argue that the cbi had at least researched it's members and is a professional institution.

The chap above just posted breibart as a source, presumably you take as much issue with that being quoted as well?

 

[blueonblue]

What you said is largely true but ignores the origins of the EU to prevent more wars

Where on earth do you get idea from?, the EU was formed to make some rich countries richer and grab power from the hard of thinking.

 

[Chancy Termites]

Please could a pro-EU poster sell me the benefits of having legislation introduced by a committee of appointees rather than by a government directly elected by citizens?

Thanks.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Where on earth do you get idea from?, the EU was formed to make some rich countries richer and grab power from the hard of thinking.

This is basic history mate!