EU referendum deal (title edited)

gordondaviesmoustache said:
Is that the same Chaimberlain who declared war on Germany when Hitler ordered an invasion of the Poland? Poor analogy, given Tim's comment.
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We were bound by a treaty with Poland; it wasn't a moral decision. And we honoured that treaty only because Chamberlain realised he'd been completely lied to by Hitler. Plus it was never really made clear how, once war was declared, there was pressure for an accommodation with Germany even in May 1940 when the German aries were sweeping through Western Europe.

The point is that the EU is built on a set of lies and deliberate misinformation. Originally it was the lie that you could have a trading bloc without financial integration. The the lie that you could have financial integration without political integration. Then it was the lie that you could integrate countries who were financial basket cases.

I'm all in favour of a trading bloc but the EU has gone way, way beyond that. It's like FFP - everyone tells us what a good thing it is but the reality is that it benefits the powerful few at the expense of everyone else.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
We were bound by a treaty with Poland; it wasn't a moral decision. And we honoured that treaty only because Chamberlain realised he'd been completely lied to by Hitler. Plus it was never really made clear how, once war was declared, there was pressure for an accommodation with Germany even in May 1940 when the German aries were sweeping through Western Europe.

The point is that the EU is built on a set of lies and deliberate misinformation. Originally it was the lie that you could have a trading bloc without financial integration. The the lie that you could have financial integration without political integration. Then it was the lie that you could integrate countries who were financial basket cases.

I'm all in favour of a trading bloc but the EU has gone way, way beyond that. It's like FFP - everyone tells us what a good thing it is but the reality is that it benefits the powerful few at the expense of everyone else.
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Fwiw I don't think that Chamberlain ever believed what Hitler was telling him.
 
Hoping for Brexit.

We'd be able to trade with Africa without the nasty trade sanctions levied on Africa by the EU.

Cameron's deal isn't set in stone and the EU legally don't have to deliver on the agreement.
 
If it was so good in the EU and so safe, why is it Dave and the vast majority of his fellow stay in voters normally spend their time bemoaning the thing and demanding change at a minimum and threatening exit from it?

We don't want a United States of Europe.
 
bluetonium said:
Just seen the leave campaign referred to as the 'Brexit'. On that alone I'm for staying in at this point.

Will review my decision in May, until then I will be ignoring the waffle and hot air.
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Pretty much this.

I keep tooting and growing the more I reaserch it.
 
Not sure which way im going to vote yet. I was going to vote to stay in the EU but now they are using scare tactics ( "Our national security is at risk if we leave") im considering going for no. Pisses me off them trying to scare people into voting for something.

Both arguments are the same, that we will be better off, but its choosing who you actually believe and to be honest i believe neither.
 
Len Rum said:
It hardly touches the issue of benefits. A four year graduated reduction of in work benefits over a one off seven year period (emergency brake) and then after this we can't apply these reductions again( I'm still not sure whether we have to get permission from the other member states for the emergency brake).
The impact on the numbers of migrant workers will be minimal and it will save about 2s/6d.
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I agree it is small beer.
 
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