stonerblue
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I've made this point several times and it's worth repeating.
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I've made this point several times and it's worth repeating.
Ancient Citizen
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It is rather ironic that virulent critics of particular media sources appear to know everything written in them.
I fucking hate coffee shops, so I couldn't tell you what the decor in Starbucks is.
I fucking hate coffee shops, so I couldn't tell you what the decor in Starbucks is.
There are very few facts certain about exiting the EU. Some that are include:-
1. We will save over £350m a week (£20 billion annually) on contributions.
2. We will be able to halt the currently legal migration of 3,500 Economic Migrants entering the UK every week. (This equates to the population of Chester every 20 weeks!)
3. We will be able to make and Govern by our own laws without fear of EU interference.
4. We will be safer by the fact we can control our borders. Incidentally those who claims we are safer in the EU are moronic. Spain was part of the EU in 2004 but suffered the Madrid Train Attacks, the UK suffered similar in London in the 2005 Tube and Bus Attacks, and France only last November suffered the Paris Attacks. Incidentally, those terrorists not killed Paris were able to escape to Belgium via open borders!
Yes there may or may not be some uncertainty post exit, however consider the EU for the leach it is, and accept that there may be some pain whilst we pull it off, but off it must come to stop it sucking us dry!
I am in the Local Vote Leave group in Lincoln, and so passionate about this subject, that I have sacrificed Norwich away so I can be on the streets campaigning on Saturday morning.
I have completed 29 years in the Army, and consider my vote and my efforts to free the UK from the EU as probably more important than any single thing during my military career.
1. We will save over £350m a week (£20 billion annually) on contributions.
2. We will be able to halt the currently legal migration of 3,500 Economic Migrants entering the UK every week. (This equates to the population of Chester every 20 weeks!)
3. We will be able to make and Govern by our own laws without fear of EU interference.
4. We will be safer by the fact we can control our borders. Incidentally those who claims we are safer in the EU are moronic. Spain was part of the EU in 2004 but suffered the Madrid Train Attacks, the UK suffered similar in London in the 2005 Tube and Bus Attacks, and France only last November suffered the Paris Attacks. Incidentally, those terrorists not killed Paris were able to escape to Belgium via open borders!
Yes there may or may not be some uncertainty post exit, however consider the EU for the leach it is, and accept that there may be some pain whilst we pull it off, but off it must come to stop it sucking us dry!
I am in the Local Vote Leave group in Lincoln, and so passionate about this subject, that I have sacrificed Norwich away so I can be on the streets campaigning on Saturday morning.
I have completed 29 years in the Army, and consider my vote and my efforts to free the UK from the EU as probably more important than any single thing during my military career.
Yet if you care to look at what HAS happened in say norfolk, the flood of migrants ( Not refugee`s)are mainly agricultural field workers who came in willing to work for as little £2 an hour
If they are working for £2 an hr. it is illegal working in this country
If they are working for £2 an hr. it is illegal working in this country
Around 3.5 million British jobs are directly linked to British membership of the European Union’s single market – 1 in 10 British jobs.
2. Exports & investment
The EU buys over 50 per cent of UK exports (54 per cent of goods, 40 per cent of services).
Over 300,000 British companies and 74 per cent of British exporters operate in other EU markets.
American and Asian EU firms build factories in Britain because it is in the single market.
3. Trade
The EU negotiates trade agreements with the rest of the world. Outside the EU Britain would have to renegotiate trade deals alone. While the EU is the world’s largest market, a UK outside the EU would not be a high priority for other counties to negotiate a trade deal.
4. Consumer clout
British families enjoy lower mobile phone roaming charges, lower credit card fees, cheaper flights and proper compensation when flights are delayed or cancelled. These sorts of benefits could not be achieved by Britain alone.
5. Clean environment
Through commonly agreed EU standards, national Governments have achieved improvements to the quality of air, rivers and beaches. Good for Britain and good for Britons holidaying or living abroad!
6. Power to curb the multinationals
The EU has taken on multinational giants like Microsoft, Samsung and Toshiba for unfair competition. The UK would not be able to do this alone.
7. Freedom to work and study abroad – and easy travel
1.4 million British people live abroad in the EU. More than 14,500 UK students took part in the European Union’s Erasmus student exchange scheme in 2012-13. Driving licences issued in the UK are valid throughout the EU.
8. Peace and democracy
The EU has helped secure peace among previously warring western European nations. It helped to consolidate democracy in Spain, Portugal, Greece and former Soviet bloc countries and helped preserve peace in the Balkans since the end of the Balkans War. With the UN it now plays a leading role in conflict prevention, peacekeeping and democracy building.
9. Equal pay and non-discrimination
Equal pay for men and women is enshrined in EU law, as are bans on discrimination by age, race or sexual orientation. This benefits Britain and British people who live in other EU countries.
10. Influence in the world
As 28 democracies, and as the world’s biggest market, we are strong when we work together.
Britain is represented in many international organisations in joint EU delegations – giving Britain more influence than it would have alone. The EU has played a major role in climate, world trade and development.
11. Cutting red tape
Common rules for the common market make it unnecessary to have 28 sets of national regulations.
12. Fighting crime
The European Arrest Warrant replaced long extradition procedures and enables the UK to extradite criminals wanted in other EU countries, and bring to justice criminals wanted in the UK who are hiding in other EU countries.
Eurojust helps UK authorities work with other EU countries’ to tackle international organised crime such as drug smuggling, people trafficking and money laundering.
13. Research funding
The UK is the second largest beneficiary of EU research funds, and the British Government expects future EU research funding to constitute a vital source of income for our world-leading universities and companies.
The Centre for Economic Performance, at the London School of Economics, says the worst-case scenario is a 6.3% to 9.5% reduction in GDP, "a loss of a similar size to that resulting from the global financial crisis of 2008/09". The best case, according to their analysis, is a loss of 2.2% of GDP, although it does not take into account as wide a range of factors as the Open Europe study.
2. Exports & investment
The EU buys over 50 per cent of UK exports (54 per cent of goods, 40 per cent of services).
Over 300,000 British companies and 74 per cent of British exporters operate in other EU markets.
American and Asian EU firms build factories in Britain because it is in the single market.
3. Trade
The EU negotiates trade agreements with the rest of the world. Outside the EU Britain would have to renegotiate trade deals alone. While the EU is the world’s largest market, a UK outside the EU would not be a high priority for other counties to negotiate a trade deal.
4. Consumer clout
British families enjoy lower mobile phone roaming charges, lower credit card fees, cheaper flights and proper compensation when flights are delayed or cancelled. These sorts of benefits could not be achieved by Britain alone.
5. Clean environment
Through commonly agreed EU standards, national Governments have achieved improvements to the quality of air, rivers and beaches. Good for Britain and good for Britons holidaying or living abroad!
6. Power to curb the multinationals
The EU has taken on multinational giants like Microsoft, Samsung and Toshiba for unfair competition. The UK would not be able to do this alone.
7. Freedom to work and study abroad – and easy travel
1.4 million British people live abroad in the EU. More than 14,500 UK students took part in the European Union’s Erasmus student exchange scheme in 2012-13. Driving licences issued in the UK are valid throughout the EU.
8. Peace and democracy
The EU has helped secure peace among previously warring western European nations. It helped to consolidate democracy in Spain, Portugal, Greece and former Soviet bloc countries and helped preserve peace in the Balkans since the end of the Balkans War. With the UN it now plays a leading role in conflict prevention, peacekeeping and democracy building.
9. Equal pay and non-discrimination
Equal pay for men and women is enshrined in EU law, as are bans on discrimination by age, race or sexual orientation. This benefits Britain and British people who live in other EU countries.
10. Influence in the world
As 28 democracies, and as the world’s biggest market, we are strong when we work together.
Britain is represented in many international organisations in joint EU delegations – giving Britain more influence than it would have alone. The EU has played a major role in climate, world trade and development.
11. Cutting red tape
Common rules for the common market make it unnecessary to have 28 sets of national regulations.
12. Fighting crime
The European Arrest Warrant replaced long extradition procedures and enables the UK to extradite criminals wanted in other EU countries, and bring to justice criminals wanted in the UK who are hiding in other EU countries.
Eurojust helps UK authorities work with other EU countries’ to tackle international organised crime such as drug smuggling, people trafficking and money laundering.
13. Research funding
The UK is the second largest beneficiary of EU research funds, and the British Government expects future EU research funding to constitute a vital source of income for our world-leading universities and companies.
The Centre for Economic Performance, at the London School of Economics, says the worst-case scenario is a 6.3% to 9.5% reduction in GDP, "a loss of a similar size to that resulting from the global financial crisis of 2008/09". The best case, according to their analysis, is a loss of 2.2% of GDP, although it does not take into account as wide a range of factors as the Open Europe study.
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4. We will be safer by the fact we can control our borders. Incidentally those who claims we are safer in the EU are moronic. Spain was part of the EU in 2004 but suffered the Madrid Train Attacks, the UK suffered similar in London in the 2005 Tube and Bus Attacks, and France only last November suffered the Paris Attacks. Incidentally, those terrorists not killed Paris were able to escape to Belgium via open borders!
they were homegrown terrorist, coming out the EU cant prevent attacks like this.
However being in the EU and able to share information to derail terrorist threats across Europe has prevented countless attacks.
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If they are working for £2 an hr. it is illegal working in this country
Tell it to the gang masters pal, not that they will pay any attention to you, and having seen the utter drivel of your last post neither should anyone else
You general is far too much.What generally happens is fairly well educated, hard working , productive people with the character and get up and go move countries in an attempt to better themselves through hard work and effort. They move countries and improve productivity in that country and often get jobs over locals as they are prepared to work harder for less. See the intra EU immigration or a huge chunk of Mexican migration into the US though that is obviously often illegal and thus harder to collect and quantify the benefit.
The poorest, the least educated, the lazy and those who contribute least to society rarely move, rarely chase bettering themselves in this way be that due to lack of opportunity, aspiration, expectation - each will have different reasons. So it has never been the "dregs of society" ( or whatever the latest nom du jour is from the right) - they stay where they are.
As nice as it would be to compartmentalise all these issues into individual boxes I'm afraid I have news for you. You can't, they are all interwoven and cannot be discussed and dealt with in isolation.It is true for intra EU immigration the type that should be discussed on this thread IE the assertion the poor move to the rush and make the rich poorer.
The othe issue of immigrants/refugees etc fleeing the Middle East and North Africa and the war zones /regimes there is a very different issue and topic and bigger than an away issue and in many ways irellevant to an in out vote
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