EU referendum

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Just voted remain.

 

[InMyLifetime-BaconChops]

I shall be voting Out today. I urge you all to do the same.

We have heard an astonishing amount of ugly rhetoric and sheer nonsense in this debate. Both sides have largely been full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Brexit will not open up a glorious new era of peculiarly shaped bananas and curvaceous cucumbers either. Nor, conversely, will it result in Armageddon, or reduce us to Zimbabwe-style economics, trundling wheelbarrows full of fifties into the shops to buy half a loaf.

I’ve genuinely been torn on this referendum, but I cannot get away from the fact that the EU is a profoundly undemocratic institution - everything else is beside the point. As Tony Benn so memorably put it, it is better to have a bad Parliament than a good King. This is a political union so opaque in its dealings it would not even pass its own standards for EU entry.

I am not a racist, a bigot or a xenophobe - I simply believe the democratic principle to be of the most paramount importance. Whatever the flaws in our own parliamentary system, we have a group of lawmakers elected by the people, scrutinised by the people and ultimately kicked out by the people when they screw up. How do I seek to dethrone Jean-Claude Juncker? Who voted for Van Rompuy? If we cannot hold the EU to such a democratic standard - and if the EU is unreformable, as Juncker confirmed today (along with forty years of experience inside) - to vote Remain would be to defend the utterly indefensible.

 

[manctheknife]

I shall be voting Out today. I urge you all to do the same.

We have heard an astonishing amount of ugly rhetoric and sheer nonsense in this debate. Both sides have largely been full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Brexit will not open up a glorious new era of peculiarly shaped bananas and curvaceous cucumbers either. Nor, conversely, will it result in Armageddon, or reduce us to Zimbabwe-style economics, trundling wheelbarrows full of fifties into the shops to buy half a loaf.

I’ve genuinely been torn on this referendum, but I cannot get away from the fact that the EU is a profoundly undemocratic institution - everything else is beside the point. As Tony Benn so memorably put it, it is better to have a bad Parliament than a good King. This is a political union so opaque in its dealings it would not even pass its own standards for EU entry.

I am not a racist, a bigot or a xenophobe - I simply believe the democratic principle to be of the most paramount importance. Whatever the flaws in our own parliamentary system, we have a group of lawmakers elected by the people, scrutinised by the people and ultimately kicked out by the people when they screw up. How do I seek to dethrone Jean-Claude Juncker? Who voted for Van Rompuy? If we cannot hold the EU to such a democratic standard - and if the EU is unreformable, as Juncker confirmed today (along with forty years of experience inside) - to vote Remain would be to defend the utterly indefensible.

Nail. meet. Head.

 

[mindmyp's_n_q's]

I have just voted. I just urge all of us who have the chance to vote to do it, regardless of which box you have personally decided to put your X in.

 

[stonerblue]

Sure.
We don't, but we don't vote on acts of Parliament here either or sudden rises in VAT that have been not mentioned. We elect MEPs to vote (or just not to turn up if voting UKIP) and a government to provide opinion and represent the country.
See above. Government reps to review and amend, MEPs to vote on. Just like committees and House of Commons.

The proposals that are made are based on assessment of the EU body that we are a part of, and have been part of for 40+ years. I do not believe that they are all written in Berlin or Paris without input from or consideration for the UK or anyone else, and will openly mock anyone who does.

If you don't like goernment policy, lobby your MP. The MPs lobby the government. The government lobby the EU.

And who made them MEP's i wonder?

 

[remember arthur mann]

I shall be voting Out today. I urge you all to do the same.

We have heard an astonishing amount of ugly rhetoric and sheer nonsense in this debate. Both sides have largely been full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Brexit will not open up a glorious new era of peculiarly shaped bananas and curvaceous cucumbers either. Nor, conversely, will it result in Armageddon, or reduce us to Zimbabwe-style economics, trundling wheelbarrows full of fifties into the shops to buy half a loaf.

I’ve genuinely been torn on this referendum, but I cannot get away from the fact that the EU is a profoundly undemocratic institution - everything else is beside the point. As Tony Benn so memorably put it, it is better to have a bad Parliament than a good King. This is a political union so opaque in its dealings it would not even pass its own standards for EU entry.

I am not a racist, a bigot or a xenophobe - I simply believe the democratic principle to be of the most paramount importance. Whatever the flaws in our own parliamentary system, we have a group of lawmakers elected by the people, scrutinised by the people and ultimately kicked out by the people when they screw up. How do I seek to dethrone Jean-Claude Juncker? Who voted for Van Rompuy? If we cannot hold the EU to such a democratic standard - and if the EU is unreformable, as Juncker confirmed today (along with forty years of experience inside) - to vote Remain would be to defend the utterly indefensible.

Typical ! Why have you left it so late to give us your words of wisdom ? People have gone out earlier this morning and voted Remain.
Nice piece though.

 

[bobmcfc]

I shall be voting Out today. I urge you all to do the same.

We have heard an astonishing amount of ugly rhetoric and sheer nonsense in this debate. Both sides have largely been full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Brexit will not open up a glorious new era of peculiarly shaped bananas and curvaceous cucumbers either. Nor, conversely, will it result in Armageddon, or reduce us to Zimbabwe-style economics, trundling wheelbarrows full of fifties into the shops to buy half a loaf.

I’ve genuinely been torn on this referendum, but I cannot get away from the fact that the EU is a profoundly undemocratic institution - everything else is beside the point. As Tony Benn so memorably put it, it is better to have a bad Parliament than a good King. This is a political union so opaque in its dealings it would not even pass its own standards for EU entry.

I am not a racist, a bigot or a xenophobe - I simply believe the democratic principle to be of the most paramount importance. Whatever the flaws in our own parliamentary system, we have a group of lawmakers elected by the people, scrutinised by the people and ultimately kicked out by the people when they screw up. How do I seek to dethrone Jean-Claude Juncker? Who voted for Van Rompuy? If we cannot hold the EU to such a democratic standard - and if the EU is unreformable, as Juncker confirmed today (along with forty years of experience inside) - to vote Remain would be to defend the utterly indefensible.

Very good

 

[dickie davies]

If you don't like government policy, lobby your MP. The MPs lobby the government. The government lobby the EU.

I've met my MP on many an occasion and the one thing I can say for certain is that he has no influence whatsoever on any big decisions. He is told what is going to happen and which way to vote

 

[GortonBlue62]

I shall be voting Out today. I urge you all to do the same.

We have heard an astonishing amount of ugly rhetoric and sheer nonsense in this debate. Both sides have largely been full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Brexit will not open up a glorious new era of peculiarly shaped bananas and curvaceous cucumbers either. Nor, conversely, will it result in Armageddon, or reduce us to Zimbabwe-style economics, trundling wheelbarrows full of fifties into the shops to buy half a loaf.

I’ve genuinely been torn on this referendum, but I cannot get away from the fact that the EU is a profoundly undemocratic institution - everything else is beside the point. As Tony Benn so memorably put it, it is better to have a bad Parliament than a good King. This is a political union so opaque in its dealings it would not even pass its own standards for EU entry.

I am not a racist, a bigot or a xenophobe - I simply believe the democratic principle to be of the most paramount importance. Whatever the flaws in our own parliamentary system, we have a group of lawmakers elected by the people, scrutinised by the people and ultimately kicked out by the people when they screw up. How do I seek to dethrone Jean-Claude Juncker? Who voted for Van Rompuy? If we cannot hold the EU to such a democratic standard - and if the EU is unreformable, as Juncker confirmed today (along with forty years of experience inside) - to vote Remain would be to defend the utterly indefensible.

Awesome post.

I voted out for the same reason this morning.

 

[Paul Lake's Left Knee]

I've just exercised my right in a booth, now I am off to vote remain.