EU referendum

[purplenose]

It seems to me you don't like my view that we should stay in, and that's what you are taking issue with.

The French don't get fined for ignoring half of the idiotic legislation, they just choose not to police it very conscienciously and that's how they get away with it. And if we did get fined by the EU over stuff, what would it cost the man in the street? £2? The EU fine us say £100m and that's less than two quid each.

But when it comes to voting out, genuinely, I think it would cost us all literally thousands, and the unfortunate ones who are made unemployed as a result? Way more than that.

As a matter of interest do you feel that remaining in will not cause an absolute disaster in the medium and long term? Do you feel we are better off not making our own rules and decisions as a nation?

 

[CityStu]

It seems to me you don't like my view that we should stay in, and that's what you are taking issue with.

The French don't get fined for ignoring half of the idiotic legislation, they just choose not to police it very conscienciously and that's how they get away with it. And if we did get fined by the EU over stuff, what would it cost the man in the street? £2? The EU fine us say £100m and that's less than two quid each.

But when it comes to voting out, genuinely, I think it would cost us all literally thousands, and the unfortunate ones who are made unemployed as a result? Way more than that.

I think there are some reasons for staying in but I think yours are piss poor and that you've been taken in by a government intent on scaring its people to vote the way it would like it to. There may be some economic concerns but the assertion that each household will lose thousands is bollocks built on unsustainable assumptions.

I doubt EU fines go to the government, but rather the establishment that is flaunting their regulations. I'd imagine that a bill for a couple of grand would harm your small pub in Halesowen quite considerably. To encourage that behaviour yet be fearful of the effect that a possibly temporary unstable economy would have on yourself is, as I said, confusingly hypocritical.

 

[Metal Biker]

bahahaha you fell apart there and you have again.
Anyhow that's life.

Happy to know I give you some purpose in life.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Yep we have become a rule dominated society alright. If everybody followed EU rules work would proceed at snails pace. Fortunately there are still workmen around that use common sense and the appropriate caution to get jobs done. But you're right...there are always the ones that need protecting from themselves and the EU is good at nannying the Darwinians amongst us. Strange how the rules are bent when it suits though.
But you raise an important point in that a lot of these health and safety rules would have progressed here without the EU's input which calls into question the whole idea that health and safety is reliant on EU input. Now extend the same logic to human rights and you can reach a conclusion that we would have progressed on our own without being directed from without.

I think you missed the point about slaughtering animals for your own use. These were not for sale so there was no harm to anybody apart from the owner. I was on holiday recently in the Alpujuras in Spain and came across a pig killing 'party' taking place quite openly in somebodies back yard. They slaughtered the pig and shared it out amongst the extended family. You couldn't do that here for fear somebody would report you. Rules eh.

That would be Spain - the country that is in the EU? Strangled by EU rules?

 

[bluethrunthru]

As a matter of interest do you feel that remaining in will not cause an absolute disaster in the medium and long term? Do you feel we are better off not making our own rules and decisions as a nation?

We hold general elections. We elect representatives who sit in Parliament and pass laws. These laws are enacted and enforced by the relevant UKagencies. We make decisions by lobbying those representatives or electing them so they carry out their manifesto pledges - our elected government makes decisions on exports - for example whom we export arms to - we have set controls on immigration from outside the EU ( so effectively many education establishments are closing places down due to a dramatic fall off in foreign students who pay full fees - Coventry Uni are closing their Hull Uni are closing their Scarborough campus and Durham are looking to close their Stockton on Tees campus thus limiting courses and places for British student - a triumph of border controls there ) - all this and yet still some people seem to think EVERYTHING is decided in Brussels - the level of ignorance and cliched reguritation of soundbites never fails to astound me.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

Happy to know I give you some purpose in life.

Impressive consistency, wrong again.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

We hold general elections. We elect representatives who sit in Parliament and pass laws. These laws are enacted and enforced by the relevant UKagencies. We make decisions by lobbying those representatives or electing them so they carry out their manifesto pledges - our elected government makes decisions on exports - for example whom we export arms to - we have set controls on immigration from outside the EU ( so effectively many education establishments are closing places down due to a dramatic fall off in foreign students who pay full fees - Coventry Uni are closing their Hull Uni are closing their Scarborough campus and Durham are looking to close their Stockton on Tees campus thus limiting courses and places for British student - a triumph of border controls there ) - all this and yet still some people seem to think EVERYTHING is decided in Brussels - the level of ignorance and cliched reguritation of soundbites never fails to astound me.

Dear Outers.
9 days, i had to wait for Brussels to approve then send me the correct ply toilet tissue before i could have a shite.
It's time for change.
Yours
M Gove
22 Shit Street.

 

[sir baconface]

Maybe inners and outers should lobby governments to get to grips with the infrastructure rather than blame immigration. Year on year too few houses are built down in Kent to meet demand. Problem is infrastructure improvements requires spending but nobody want to pay tax to fund them - housing requires space and whilst everybody wants houses they would rather they weren't built near them and whilst new houses would be welcomed in one way on the other hand meeting demand would mean a marked slow down in house price growth or even a drop in house values and nobody in Kent would have the balls to accept that for the good of the country.

Your knowledge of Kent is laughable.

 

[sir baconface]

There's nothing difficult to understand. The question is at what price?

Serious answer? Nobody knows. Almost certainly a short term economic price. But what price sovereignty, environment and "softer" factors?

 

[bluethrunthru]

Your knowledge of Kent is laughable.

Not sure where it that post I made any claim to be the fount of all knowledge on Kent? You a resident? Pray enlighten me? is Kent full of newly built unoccupied homes? Are the people of Kent clamoring for them to be built regardless of the effect on the values of their homes and any loans secured on them? Is the Kentish infrastructure up to date and fit for purpose? If so that may explain the HS2 folly....................