EU referendum

[The perfect fumble]

Ah well if Vinnie Jones says it's bad it must be bad.

If I bumped in to Vinnie Jones at LAX I wouldn't know where I was either.

Seeing as Vinnie is an immigrant in the US he clearly knows what he's talking about.

 

[malg]

Come on here every now and then to see the vote. It's widening isn't it? Bluemoon are 'outers'!

 

[sir baconface]

Is the casual racism still happening in this thread? Blame the immigrants! Burn them! (Which is all very ironic since immigrants have substantially grown this economy over the last ten years)

Yet another with either comprehension difficulties, a short attention span or propaganda indigestion.

The debate is about controlled immigration versus absorbing whatever Is thrown at us. Do try to keep up.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Germany and France would not be marginally impacted, their economies would be seriously affected and the Eurozone would be plunged into a serious recession. Check out their high value exports to the UK, and mull over the fact that these are the economies that are keeping the Eurozone afloat. A trade war is mutually assured destruction and won't happen.

Ok, so that's 2 out of 27. The other 25 might have a say, just possibly.

And is it you that keeps saying "trade war"?

Trying replacing those words with "struggling to reach agreement". Fuck me we struggle to reach agreement on cabbage quotas, and yet for some insane reason some people seem to think an end-to-end EU-wide goods *and services* agreement will be like falling off a log. Will it fuck. It will take YEARS.

 

[purplenose]

Yet another with either comprehension difficulties, a short attention span or propaganda indigestion.

The debate is about controlled immigration versus absorbing whatever Is thrown at us. Do try to keep up.

This is what your up against, have the sheer audacity to suggest it may not be a great idea to over strech our country further by letting all and sundry in, or god forbid go a step further and say you dont wish to have anymore here makes you a blatant racist.....thick as pig shit they are, its nothing to do with being racist its about wanting to preserve the standard of living and keep some semblance of a modern country for all those currently here black white muslim christian.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Really? The City of London, John Maynard Keynes and the entire banking world, not to mention anyone who has a mortgage, car loan, student loan, or any debt for that matter bow before your superior knowledge.

The whole bloody world runs on tick, even though George lost our Triple A rating we can borrow at phenomenally low rates. The issue is not debt, it is our ability to service it, the only way to service debt is to grow the economy, the economy is not growing fast enough, solution? Grow the economy! So what does George do? He squeezes the economy, so he misses target after target after target as the economy is not growing fast enough, so he squeezes it some more waiting for some neo liberal fucking miracle to save it.

He'll be waiting a long time.

Is that you Gordon?

Your party tried that 20 times over the last 100 years and it never worked. Still, you can't knock a tryer can you.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Sorry but you can't reasonably count unfunded future state pension payments as a measure of National Debt.

You're right. Let's forget all about it. It might go away. If we all kill ourselves.

 

[sir baconface]

The economy is not growing fast enough, solution? Grow the economy!

The best solutions are often so simple. Amazing nobody thought of this before.

 

[bugsyblue]

Check the third paragraph of the second post (its by me) on page 212 for some comparisons to other EU countries. In short, Germany could swallow England's population and still be considerably less crowded than the UK is now.

With the native population we can plan reasonably well. If a child is born then you know you will need a school place for that child in 4 years time. You can apply similar logic to the age of the population, birth rates and so on to get a good impression of how many doctors, hospitals, houses, etc. you'll require.

Uncontrolled immigration changes all of that. Someone can turn up from Poland tomorrow who immediately needs a house (already a shortage), his 2 kids need a school (already oversubscribed), his pregnant wife needs prenatal care and he's brought his mum with him who suffers from alzheimer's. Even if the guy's on a very good salary, he hasn't paid into the system before arrival yet he needs an awful lot of services on arrival.

It's an extreme example but the point is you can't plan for it and what government would? Would you vote for a party that said due to future immigration we're going to have to raise taxes considerably to add to education and health services, such that they are not worse in 5 years than they are now (not improved)? Or would you rather a party that said that the level of immigration was unsustainable so we at least have to control it in some capacity?

I know we have an ageing population, but I'm pretty sure the solution isn't to throw more and more people into the pot (who will one day become old themselves).

But immigration is controlled, or are you talking about European migration? I don't think anyone is suggesting we just open our borders and let everyone in. I mean to counter argue your point there's close to 2 million Brits now living in Spain. Now I don't have the figures but I bet the majority of those are retired and more a drain on their economy than the younger Spanish working here!

Equally I get your point re population density but Belgium and Holland are still higher than us so it's not like we are close to doomsday.

Personally I think Europeans contribute a hell of a lot more to this country than they take out. I mean the ones I know work their arses off for little money and spend almost all their wages on extorsionate rental prices in London. This country is milking them!

 

[Chippy_boy]

The best solutions are often so simple. Amazing nobody thought of this before.

Apart from the sheer stupidity of it, the real irony is that he doesn't even realise that more government spending does not equal "growing the economy".