EU referendum

[sir baconface]

Pigs, interesting analogy. Why would capitalist greedy pig-fucker Cameron want to stay in the EU then if it wasn't financially beneficial? Please tell because I'm all ears. If there's any chance the UK's economy could benefit from leaving the EU then him and his cronies would be championing it!

You are overlooking the fact that some other prominent and equally capitalist Tories want out.

It was hilarious to see Cameron trying to hail it as some master art of negotiating when they are all laughing at him as they played him.

He was like a turkey, begging them to cancel Xmas. They reached for the Paxo instead.

 

[Balti]

Of telling the truth? Because you might not like the truth it doesn't make it a threat (though I do think young Boris has goaded him to saying more than he would have done)

Obama won't be around if it happens so what he spouts can't be construed as 'the truth'

I don't believe that if we left the EU we would do no trade with the US. And yes we might be seen as less important than the EU. So what? We are unimportant as a bit player within the EU that can't change anything anyway.

BoJo was right. This is about sovereignty more than anything and the yanks would never acquiesce to a similar scenario being told what to do by a bunch of third party nations with an agenda of political integration. The UK cannot change things from within as the Inners keep saying and the voting record proves it. Yes to Europe in terms of common interest such as trade and defence etc but a big fat no to political union and being governed by the rest of Europe via Brussels.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

I know this sounds disparaging, but honestly I think half the population wouldn't understand the issues if you wrote it down in their colouring books in large crayon. You might as well let pets vote.

You're right it is disparaging but true... The tories have basically dumped one of the most complex, emotive and political issue on the public's shoulders to settle once and for all the 'europe' question in their party, irony being but that's democracy in action while part of the subject matter is the very question of democracy...

If the question was on democracy alone it would be a landslide against the EU, I've seen first hand here after the general elections last October here when a left wing coalition was voted in with a majority and the president gave first options to the centre right party to form another government (had previously been in power) the country was dumbstruck! His words defending this action -

“ In 40 years of democracy, no government in Portugal has ever depended on the support of anti-European forces, that is to say forces that campaigned to abrogate the Lisbon Treaty, the Fiscal Compact, the Growth and Stability Pact, as well as to dismantle monetary union and take Portugal out of the euro, in addition to wanting the dissolution of NATO.[8] ”

That is basically what the EU machine does to democracy and we've yet to start the full fiscal and political union...yipeee

 

[KenTheLandlord]

I don't know why the Brexit campaign don't use Mervyn King more - if the remain camp's whole campaign is based on what Carney, Osbourne and the IMF are saying then they might as well fight fire with fire. I'm sure he'll be discredited somehow even though he was governor of the BOE since 2003 and chief economist since 1991 - let's see if the remain campaigners can convert his image to a degenerative crack head as well as the brexiters manage on figures on the oppposing side.

The result of this referendum will basically come down to who gets scared the most (Remain winning hands down) and how many of the 18-25 year olds can be arsed to make their way to a polling station. strange way to determine an important issue...

Mmm wasn't the greatest financial crash in this country under his watch?

You ever been in a plane flying over the UK, did you look out the window at all? If so could you not see a lot of space or did you only see gangs of eastern Europeans queuing at A and e

Blow job more likely

Obama resorting to threatening us over trade to back up his mate Dave
Hypocrite

I wondered when someone else would realise the reptile had a pig's head.
Ludicrous of course, as if a reptile would have a pig's head.

 

[bluethrunthru]

I don't know why the Brexit campaign don't use Mervyn King more - if the remain camp's whole campaign is based on what Carney, Osbourne and the IMF are saying then they might as well fight fire with fire. I'm sure he'll be discredited somehow even though he was governor of the BOE since 2003 and chief economist since 1991 - let's see if the remain campaigners can convert his image to a degenerative crack head as well as the brexiters manage on figures on the oppposing side.

The result of this referendum will basically come down to who gets scared the most (Remain winning hands down) and how many of the 18-25 year olds can be arsed to make their way to a polling station. strange way to determine an important issue...

Even as an "inner" I would tend to agree with you - however I think Mervyn would lose the interest of most of the public because he knows what he is talking about and would provide a technical ( boring ) explanation. The public warm to Bumbling Boris and Adolf Farage's approach and probably most importantly Mervyn wouldn't be grandstanding and post - vote wouldn't be looking for any office. Boris and Nigel want to dazzle and see themselves as getting something out of this vote so couldn't have somebody else hogging the limelight and taking away their main chance. Same for Call Me Dave - win this and he leaves as the guy who saved the 300 year old act of union AND kept Britain in the EU - legacy you see. Economic woes are Gideon's problems.

 

[sir baconface]

I actually trust Brussels more than this lot in power at the minute!

What a thoroughly depressing argument.

Translation: there's no chance of selling our party to the electorate so we'll settle for remote bureaucrats to realise our interventionist vision.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I'll take my chances with the £900m a month we would keep in our pockets, even after the money which comes straight back.

Hospital and a road a month should do it!

 

[KenTheLandlord]

Another blow for the Brexit

Obama: UK will not be able to strike trade deal with US soon after Brexit
Britain would not be able to strike a free trade deal with the US "any time soon" if it leaves the EU, as Washington's focus would be on reaching agreement with the European Union, Barack Obama has said.

I guess Uganda, Rwanda and Bolivia are up for a bit of trade.

 

[hgblue]

Another blow for the Brexit

Obama: UK will not be able to strike trade deal with US soon after Brexit
Britain would not be able to strike a free trade deal with the US "any time soon" if it leaves the EU, as Washington's focus would be on reaching agreement with the European Union, Barack Obama has said.

I guess Uganda, Rwanda and Bolivia are up for a bit of trade.

Are we not trading perfectly happily with the US already without one?

 

[cibaman]

I cannot think of a single trade deal of note concluded in that time frame, it takes two years minimum to draw up the issues to be discussed.

As for "agreement with no strings attached" that only happens in war when one side has unconditionally surrendered.

If you want a flavour of how barking the Vote Leave campaign is look no further than this lunatic...

EU referendum: Vote Leave's Dominic Cummings questioned by MPs - Politics live...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...nship-with-us-at-risk-uk-warned-politics-live

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  • Dominic Cummings, the campaign director of Vote Leave, has been described as having “no grip on reality at all” after startling Tory and Labour members of the Commons Treasury committee with a series of provocative claims. After questioning him Helen Goodman, a Labour member of the committee, posted a message on Twitter saying: “Genuinely alarmed at the behaviour of Dominic Cummings who runs Vote Leave, He seems to have no grip on reality at all.” Andrew Tyrie, the Conservative chair of the committee, accused him near the start of the hearing of playing “fast and loose” with the facts. During the hearing Cummings accused the Bank of England and the Treasury of “scaremongering”, described Treasury civil servants as “charlatans” and accused the Cabinet Office of threatening people who did not support it on the EU. Tyrie said these were “truly extraordinary claims” and challenged him to provide evidence to back them up.

I am being promised a free trade agreement, no need to comply with EU treaties and directives, no need to contribute to the EU budget. Courtesy of German car makers and French cheese producers. To be agreed within the two year period to formalise the exit arrangements.

If I didnt get that I would expect the referendum to be re-run before we formally left the EU. And there are about 450 MPs who would be happy to arrange that for me.