EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%

  • Total voters
    1,050
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A bit like your bollocks of 'blood being spilt' if we stay in Europe? Though I am too most suprised that you could possibly get confused as a lefty, though I guess the far left and the far right share some values...


Neither far left nor far right, do feel free to try again. It has truly shown those who support in up how they resort to bleating about racism or far right/leftism to anyone who voices opinions on why we are better off out.

Blood being spilt in Europe is not unheard of you know....have you had a good look at the history of the continent over the last couple of hundred years? So rather than call it bollocks why not give your opinion as to why it is bollocks? Back it up with some facts, tell me how the EU will prevent the continent from descending into wars and conflict...
 
A weak and pathetic argument by David Cameron this morning.

NATO has kept the west at peace as well as evolving civilisation. Scaremongering at it's worst!
 
Have to say that Cameron's latest Project Fear speech really takes the biscuit. Although currently an inner, he's doing a pretty good job in making me change my mind. If he was really interested in the defence of the nation, he wouldn't have invited Russian subs to have free rein in our territorial waters by scrapping the only capability we had in finding them in the 2010 SDSR.
 
Have to say that Cameron's latest Project Fear speech really takes the biscuit. Although currently an inner, he's doing a pretty good job in making me change my mind. If he was really interested in the defence of the nation, he wouldn't have invited Russian subs to have free rein in our territorial waters by scrapping the only capability we had in finding them in the 2010 SDSR.

If you refer to the Nimrod then didnt you know he has sorted that with a juicy to order to Boeing! Far less superior aircraft but made much better financial sense you know!

Dont forget Putins air force, TU160s flying up the channel....Mr Putin or those before him would not have dared do that even 20 years ago, but now he does it just to deliver a huge noisy big white flying "wanker sign" to Cameron.
 
This is a fair point I think, and one to which I don't know the answer personally. But I can only speculate that there's more to it than just the financial implication of the tariff, perhaps to do with more generally how easy it is to do business. I cannot imagine other countries would have struggled for years to get a trade agreement in place if the "prize" for years of jumping through hoops was simply avoiding a 2% levy. There's surely more to it than that.
Funnily enough the Remain campaign haven't mentioned the fact that WTO tariffs are currently just over 2%. Probably because it's devastating to their argument. ;)
 
It's getting fooking desperate now. They lose the arguments on economy, democracy and immigration so now they say it will be world war 3 if we leave. It's bollox. He is actually concerned that the vote is so close and so he will say anything to keep his job.

By the way can someone list please the renegotiation that Cameron achieved with the Eu before the referendum. I know he never did well but what did he actually get?
Nothing, so far. The EU is going to vote on whether Cameron's EU reforms are implemented after the Brexit referendum, so if we vote to stay in and the EU rejects it, we're back to square one.
 
If you refer to the Nimrod then didnt you know he has sorted that with a juicy to order to Boeing! Far less superior aircraft but made much better financial sense you know!

Dont forget Putins air force, TU160s flying up the channel....Mr Putin or those before him would not have dared do that even 20 years ago, but now he does it just to deliver a huge noisy big white flying "wanker sign" to Cameron.
I am fully aware of the P8 order which sadly became necessary because of his gross error of judgement in 2010. It's a total embarrassment that we have to rely on the French, Americans and others to carry out our maritime reconnaissance until these new aircraft go into service. It's astonishing that he hasn't been held to account for this enormous waste of public money and putting this country at risk.
 
Don't worry about it. You can vote them out. Perks of being a self-governing democracy.

That's the problem. We have a right of centre government that will shift further to the right after Brexit. And an unelectable opposition party
 
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