EU referendum

[EalingBlue2]

No one has yet explained why we can't be part of a European regional trading bloc without having to undergo ever closer political and economic union. Japan, China, Russia & the USA are discrete political entities so don't have to worry about that. Yet there are regional trading blocs in North America and the Far East that involve multiple countries and where there is no requirement for closer political and economic integration.

I have no problem with a single European market. It makes great economic sense. But I do not want a European Union, which is what's on offer. And if we don't feel we should be a full member of that (including joining the Euro) then the only alternative is to come out.

We can as long as we adhere to the rules that they choose to be part of this game and agree to rules that we have no part in setting!

It's quite clear a large chunk of the Brexit crowd live in a fantasy land where Britain still rules the waves and will be welcomed al over the world with favourable trade deals. It's also quite clear most don't know where laws are set, etc

Britain had its day a century or more ago, since then it has been a long slow decline from ruling the waves to being just another country. This vote is like a mid life crisis, do you stick to the wife or remortgage the house to buy a sports car, pull the secretary to make you young again. But doing it with no idea if the secretary is interested or if you can afford to pay off the sports car.

Will it be one last glorious hurrah or will it just be a hastily sold sports car and retirement to a small bedsit after the missus takes you to the cleaners, does it matter either way if old age and death is inevitable?

thats the gamble....

 

[blueonblue]

An yet this poor little "Just other country" is still the fifth biggest economy in the world, why do you think the companies of Europe would not want to trade with us ?, all the EU make is rules an we can do without theirs.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

An yet this poor little "Just other country" is still the fifth biggest economy in the world, why do you think the companies of Europe would not want to trade with us ?, all the EU make is rules an we can do without theirs.

It's what lefties do, they love to disparage and denigrate their own country, even one that has the worlds fifth biggest economy.
The supreme irony is that whenever they feel one of their 'just causes' is being starved of funding, they will immediately tell you how
we can easily afford it as we're 'One of the richest countries in the world.'

 

[BlueHammer85]

An yet this poor little "Just other country" is still the fifth biggest economy in the world, why do you think the companies of Europe would not want to trade with us ?, all the EU make is rules an we can do without theirs.

A rich and thriving country eh ? how has this been allowed to happen when we've been dictated by the EU which we are pouring billions into...

 

[blueish swede]

It's only recently become the fifth biggest economy in the world as other economies shrank during the global recession. It isn't a hang over from the days of Empire like the outers would have people believe. The British economy rode the recession better thanks to bold the economic policies implemented by the Labour Govt.

Now the Tories are in charge the economy is on it's arse and it's projected to fall to 8th largest within the next few years (3 iir) even if it stays in the EU. If it leaves it will sink like a stone.

 

[CityStu]

It's only recently become the fifth biggest economy in the world as other economies shrank during the global recession. It isn't a hang over from the days of Empire like the outers would have people believe. The British economy rode the recession better thanks to bold the economic policies implemented by the Labour Govt.

Now the Tories are in charge the economy is on it's arse and it's projected to fall to 8th largest within the next few years (3 iir) even if it stays in the EU. If it leaves it will sink like a stone.

So presumably you, in Sweden, want the UK and its faltering economy to leave the EU?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

It's only recently become the fifth biggest economy in the world as other economies shrank during the global recession. It isn't a hang over from the days of Empire like the outers would have people believe. The British economy rode the recession better thanks to bold the economic policies implemented by the Labour Govt.

Now the Tories are in charge the economy is on it's arse and it's projected to fall to 8th largest within the next few years (3 iir) even if it stays in the EU. If it leaves it will sink like a stone.

Nobody has ever suggested that it's is because of the days of empire, and nobody has tried to persuade anyone that that is the reason.
Labour spending like a drunken sailor on 'investments' like hundreds of thousands of civil service non jobs prior to the crash compounded the problems,
this is now being reversed and jobs have moved back to the private sector, which is where everything is generated in the first place.

 

[blueonblue]

It's what lefties do, they love to disparage and denigrate their own country, even one that has the worlds fifth biggest economy.
The supreme irony is that whenever they feel one of their 'just causes' is being starved of funding, they will immediately tell you how
we can easily afford it as we're 'One of the richest countries in the world.'

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Nail on the head, nor is there argument that floods of cheap labour are damaging pay and conditions of the "underclass" they claim to support, the same for health care and education, yet its the lefties who are happy to quote those big businesses who want to stay in as bastions of truth, you know, those evil enemies built on the blood of the working class.

 

[blueish swede]

So presumably you, in Sweden, want the UK and its faltering economy to leave the EU?

I'm torn - I still have family in the UK, who I think will suffer if it does leave, so I would probably want it to stay in for that reason alone. But for me personally I want the EU to vote the UK out (or at least England).
I want to know when do we get a vote? When do we get to choose to get rid of the wasters and the whingers that the UK seems to be made up of now? Always complaining, never to blame for their own predicament, always someone elses fault. It's like Scouse has evolved, become cotageous and infeceted the whole country.

 

[Monkfish]

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Nail on the head, nor is there argument that floods of cheap labour are damaging pay and conditions of the "underclass" they claim to support, the same for health care and education, yet its the lefties who are happy to quote those big businesses who want to stay in as bastions of truth, you know, those evil enemies built on the blood of the working class.

wtf has it got to do with left or right? plenty on the left want out, plenty on the right want in

 

[Monkfish]

I want to know when do we get a vote? When do we get to choose to get rid of the wasters and the whingers that the UK seems to be made up of now? Always complaining, never to blame for their own predicament, always someone elses fault. It's like Scouse has evolved, become cotageous and infeceted the whole country.

When we elect somebody like Hitler?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

wtf has it got to do with left or right? plenty on the left want out, plenty on the right want in

This is true, but for diametrically opposing reasons, Tony Benn wanted out, as did others of his party, but now, it would appear (at least by all accounts),
that the majority of Labour supporters are for in, whist it's the other way with the Conservatives.
Lenin, sorry Corbyn, previously an outer in the mould of Benn, without the intelligence, is firing up his legions of 18 year old idealists to embrace the EU
so this is more grist to the mill.

 

[BimboBob]

We can as long as we adhere to the rules that they choose to be part of this game and agree to rules that we have no part in setting!

It's quite clear a large chunk of the Brexit crowd live in a fantasy land where Britain still rules the waves and will be welcomed al over the world with favourable trade deals. It's also quite clear most don't know where laws are set, etc

Britain had its day a century or more ago, since then it has been a long slow decline from ruling the waves to being just another country. This vote is like a mid life crisis, do you stick to the wife or remortgage the house to buy a sports car, pull the secretary to make you young again. But doing it with no idea if the secretary is interested or if you can afford to pay off the sports car.

Will it be one last glorious hurrah or will it just be a hastily sold sports car and retirement to a small bedsit after the missus takes you to the cleaners, does it matter either way if old age and death is inevitable?

thats the gamble....

Rules? Utter rubbish. No European leader will agree to the EU putting rules on our exports to them. Take the Germans for instance. It will do them more harm than good if this happened. Their car industry would be up in arms for one.

We leave. We sort out trade agreements. Simple. It's in everyone's interest to have a common market. It's not to have the EU.

 

[blueonblue]

wtf has it got to do with left or right? plenty on the left want out, plenty on the right want in

The labour party has taken the in side, and for god knows what reason the unions ( The bastion of the left), where is the best interest of their members in all this, have they not moaned about big business attacking pay and conditions for decades, is cheap imported labour a benefit to its members ?, is it the tory area`s with housing shortages ?, the very people they have claimed to support for many years are at the shit end of the stick if we stay in.

 

[Monkfish]

hmmm, pretty sure the unions know a vote to leave the eu will also lead to a further lurch to the right, particularly as Scotland leaving the UK will inevitably follow shortly afterwards making England, NI, and possibly Wales (who may also just ship?) in effect a single party state

 

[BigJoe#1]

The FX market is definitely feeling the pressures of the potential brexit. You're right that its uncertainty, but it is very much the uncertainty of brexit. The pound is depreciated against lots of major currencies, enough to offer an insight into the thoughts of real money and other investors. Lets not forget an outvote is just the start. Then we enter negotiation phase, its not obvious that there will be upward pressures on the pound during a protracted negotiation period.

Why is the pound depreciating against the threat of an out vote? Have you ever considered that, given the state of migrants and immigrants and refugees in Europe ahead of the summer months when it's likely to get worse by the day, it may be depreciating against the thought that we might vote to stay in?

 

[BigJoe#1]

We can as long as we adhere to the rules that they choose to be part of this game and agree to rules that we have no part in setting!

It's quite clear a large chunk of the Brexit crowd live in a fantasy land where Britain still rules the waves and will be welcomed al over the world with favourable trade deals. It's also quite clear most don't know where laws are set, etc

Britain had its day a century or more ago, since then it has been a long slow decline from ruling the waves to being just another country. This vote is like a mid life crisis, do you stick to the wife or remortgage the house to buy a sports car, pull the secretary to make you young again. But doing it with no idea if the secretary is interested or if you can afford to pay off the sports car.

Will it be one last glorious hurrah or will it just be a hastily sold sports car and retirement to a small bedsit after the missus takes you to the cleaners, does it matter either way if old age and death is inevitable?

thats the gamble....

How does Australia manage then EB2? An economy smaller than the UK but it seems to be doing alright, what benefits do they have that we won't have? Just curious.

 

[urmston]

Labour decided to let in lots of workers from new EU countries in 2004, something all other older EU countries except Sweden and Ireland decided not to do.

And now Labour wants to stay in the EU and subject UK workers to TTIP.

Labour and the EU are the real dangers for UK workers.

 

[Monkfish]

How does Australia manage then EB2? An economy smaller than the UK but it seems to be doing alright, what benefits do they have that we won't have? Just curious.

they have done just dandy, thanks to their massive resource of minerals to export to their resource free neighbours and a huge increase in the global price of these minerals

which is similar to the UK economy in no way whatsoever

 

[Monkfish]

Why is the pound depreciating against the threat of an out vote? Have you ever considered that, given the state of migrants and immigrants and refugees in Europe ahead of the summer months when it's likely to get worse by the day, it may be depreciating against the thought that we might vote to stay in?

There is an argument to leave the EU granted, but lets not be silly. Have you ever considered clutching at straws for a day job?