Yeah but as you say you didn't go to bed after voting in 1975 and wake up in 2016 - Lisbon and Maastricht were not subject to referendums but were hotly debated and whilst there was no direct yes/no vote on their implementation in general elections afterwards to eject MP's and governments who backed the treaties. As that didn't happen I assume that there was not the extent of disquiet required to force a change in attitude?
We haven't just got here, the EU has evolved over that period and its done so with everyone's knowledge - its only in recent years with the rise of the xenophobic UKIP bandwagon that its go traction ad - in my view - most people who are pro-leave are being sold a pup propagated on lies that will be very bad for the UK.
I agree with you entirely except that I think the Tories know how weak Corbyn is, he's a very devisive figure and the Labour vote is vulnerable, vulnerable to the threat of UKIP - which in itself is unbelievable. I feel the Tories may see this as an opportunity but either way they will struggle to unite. Still I think it will go to Theresa May to lead the party and try to unite them, if she fails I think we wil have an election within twelve months from now.... We shall see.It is a huge challenge and its one that they would have to address before a general election is held or even Corbyn will beat them. It would be madness for them to fight a general election until one side or the other has won the internal battle for power and they can present a coherent manifesto.
It would be criminal to waste this opportunity to break free and rid ourselves of the leech that is the EU and at the same time take control back of our own country. If we fail in going alone then so be it,at least it's our own doing. Vote in and our country is lost forever. Britain will eventually cease to exist,sooner rather than later.
That'd be some small time thinking on their behalf. Do people really believe tat they'd be so spiteful
If 'twas me if step out see if the grass really was greener and if not step in. Easy! :-)
A few people have asked this question - and the answer is yes. BBC Europe editor Katya Adler says the UK would have to start from scratch with no rebate, and enter in to accession talks with the EU. Every member state would have to agree to the UK re-joining. But she says with elections looming elsewhere in Europe, other leaders might not be generous towards any UK demands.
The mechanisms for re-joining the EU are set out in the Lisbon Treaty. According to Article 50: "If a state which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49."
And Article 49 states: "The applicant state shall address its application to the Council, which shall act unanimously after consulting the Commission and after receiving the assent of the European Parliament, which shall act by an absolute majority of its component members. The conditions of admission and the adjustments to the Treaties on which the Union is founded, which such admission entails, shall be the subject of an agreement between the member states and the applicant state."
New members are required to adopt the euro as their currency, once they meet the relevant criteria, although the UK could try to negotiate an opt-out.
If we change our minds before the formal exit process is completed then of course they will let us stay.
If we formally exit and then change our minds they would probably let us back in but insist we join the Euro and Schengen (if they still existed) and there would be no rebate.
5% was the 2014/15 figure. The latest figure is 3.8% and it has fallen steadily since 2010 and is predicted to carry on falling so the 2016/17 figure is likely to be below 3% without any additional measures.
We'd need to fulfill the relevant criteria, which includes adopting EU regulations in all areas. Although we already do this, a return would take time due the application and acceptance process. Anything needing approval within the EU is very slow moving due to the creaking nature of the over-complex system. It's unlikely we'd be refused, however upon rejoining we would be required to adopt the Euro (as far as I'm aware).What's to prevent tail between the legs return to the EU in 5-10 years if it just isn't panning out as expected? Anything concrete or is it just pride/prejudice?
Sorry once we invoke the article (think 50) to leave there is no going back. Radio 4 expert said yesterday... Out is as it says on the tin...We will be joing the Euro and Schengen anyway if we stay in, in my opinion. Just a question of time and it's folly to think we won't.
Sorry once we invoke the article (think 50) to leave there is no going back. Radio 4 expert said yesterday... Out is as it says on the tin...
the guy on Radio 4 is wrong on this one. Article 50 of the Lisbon treaty allows returns but as a new member state, I posted the links above in post ( 11084 ). You would have thought the BBC would have been consistant though!.Sorry once we invoke the article (think 50) to leave there is no going back. Radio 4 expert said yesterday... Out is as it says on the tin...
Very helpful info.
PB's post reminded me of when he said we would sail through Financial Fair Play, only to book a one way ticket on the Titanic!
I'm not sure I'd be inclined to quote dealings with a corrupt bunch of European officials to strengthen my pro-EU argument ;-)
I'm not sure I'd be inclined to quote dealings with a corrupt bunch of European officials to strengthen my pro-EU argument ;-)
Tomorrow we can break free of this EU gravy train chaos and crack on making this country great again..!
Do I buy my Euro,s today ?. Any experts .
How about start making the Country great again today! Turned up for an early train to London today and it had been cancelled.
If we just blame the EU for everything we will end up on our arses after a leave vote. It's people like Philip Green who are creating misery!
Who in this world honestly acts and advises against their own vested and self interest. So you think Boris and Nigel are selflessly acting against theirs. It's human nature that people in senior roles with responsibilities act to carry those put in the best interests of the organisation and their own interests.Well a thing common throughout that REMAIN list appears to be self/vested interests
Not that should be decried - we leave voters are going to express our own vested interests - hopefully resulting in getting us out from under the yoke