EU referendum

[YPhrunts]

A succinct and well put point of view.

 

[remember arthur mann]

Apparently not a debate, just a question and answers, can't see Dodgy Dave going face to face.

 

[FanchesterCity]

As for countries performing better outside the EU than in it...

4 of the top 10 economies are inside the EU.
The three largest are the USA, China and Japan - with huge populations and manufacturing bases.

Leicester performed better than anybody else too, but I wouldn't jump ship from City to join them.
Ethiopia, Turkmenistan, Congo, Mongola, Mozambique, Cambodia, Rwanda and countless other nations had higher growth rates than even the USA / China and US - they 'performed better' - you have to be very careful about this brexit 'most of the world performed better' mantra.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

1. SOME countries outside the EU have performed better. MANY clearly have not.

2. How many of these that have done better have 44% of their exports going to the EU? How many of them have a domestic manufacturing base that is dominated by foreign investment that is there largely because of the country being in the EU? How many of them have an economy dominated by their services sector? Answer: None.

You paint an irrelevant picture because we are uniquely dependent upon the EU in a way that none of the countries you might compare us to are.

Utter tosh. If the eu was an interdependent trading block all parts of the eu would be performing well. Two countries are performing well. The U.K. And Germany, the rest are not performing well and frankly unless you have noticed a few are on the verge of collapse. I read somewhere that even France got a bail out last week from the Eu.

The U.K. And Germany are performing well because the people and businesses within those countries are generally great. Do a deal with a German its simple, do one with Italy or France it's messy and complex.

Germany and uk products are fantastic and it's people, laws and ethical stance is usually a pleasure that's why we do well.

As for the oh we don't own anything crap. London is the financial centre of the world and it's not going to change whether in or out of the eu. Bp, the global banks?

Oh and legally btw if countries come to the uk Only because we are part of the eu if you are so worried about not being to suddenly trade with the eu anymore look outside your window at McDonald's or Burger King or all the other companies who trade with us now but are foreign owned.. We are in the eu, why are they here and allowed to do it?

 

[sir baconface]

It would be interesting to know how many of us old farts on here voted one way in the 1973 referendum and will be voting a DIFFERENT way this time.

For example I was in favour of the EEC but now want to leave the EU.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Utter tosh. If the eu was an interdependent trading block all parts of the eu would be performing well. Two countries are performing well. The U.K. And Germany, the rest are not performing well and frankly unless you have noticed a few are on the verge of collapse. I read somewhere that even France got a bail out last week from the Eu.

The U.K. And Germany are performing well because the people and businesses within those countries are generally great. Do a deal with a German its simple, do one with Italy or France it's messy and complex.

Germany and uk products are fantastic and it's people, laws and ethical stance is usually a pleasure that's why we do well.

As for the oh we don't own anything crap. London is the financial centre of the world and it's not going to change whether in or out of the eu. Bp, the global banks?

Oh and legally btw if countries come to the uk Only because we are part of the eu if you are so worried about not being to suddenly trade with the eu anymore look outside your window at McDonald's or Burger King or all the other companies who trade with us now but are foreign owned.. We are in the eu, why are they here and allowed to do it?

You sound rather desperate, as well you might.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

As for countries performing better outside the EU than in it...

4 of the top 10 economies are inside the EU.
The three largest are the USA, China and Japan - with huge populations and manufacturing bases.

Leicester performed better than anybody else too, but I wouldn't jump ship from City to join them.
Ethiopia, Turkmenistan, Congo, Mongola, Mozambique, Cambodia, Rwanda and countless other nations had higher growth rates than even the USA / China and US - they 'performed better' - you have to be very careful about this brexit 'most of the world performed better' mantra.

And so is if we are in the European Union we are totally immune from economic cycles that affect all economies on the globe, whereas if we are outside the eu it follows it will be twice as bad....

A lot of people are voting stay because they wrongly believe this.

 

[sir baconface]

I've been saying exactly that for the past 500 pages.

All this chest-puffed-out talk of "but we're the worlds 5th largest economy", "of course we can agree a tariff-free, no strings trade deal". The top 3 are the US, China and Japan and none of them have managed to agree a such a deal!

And yet, look around you. We are awash with Chinese and Japanese goods and US-owned corporations. Some people (not a dig at you) talk as if the only alternative to a tariff-free deal is a trade embargo.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

You sound rather desperate, as well you might.

So how can McDonald's freely trade in the uk then, the us is not part of the eu?

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Well stop moaning and pay your subscription then like the rest of us....;)

Haha! I've just paid up.

Managed to get an extra £299 season card as well!