EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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hilts said:
Both sides are guessing they don't know the long term outlook just like the Scottish independence vote, in the end people will stay with the status quo through fear. In the future when the in posters complain about politicians with their noses in the trough or lack of housing and low paid jobs just tell them to kindly go and fuck themselves.
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This is a good point. All non EU countries have honest politicians, plentiful cheap high quality housing and everyone in them takes home 6 figures.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
The only figure you need to worry about
Exports UK > Germany 34bn
Imports UK < Germany 79bn

Now if the rEU wants to put trade tariffs on after Brexit add say 10% to both figures and who is the winner?
This is why any trade negotiations after Brexit will be on our terms.
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Do you have a break down of what those imports/exports are?, there are a lot of imports/exports that can easily be transferred elsewhere ( Data services, Banking, Insurance etc ), and others that cant really be changed easily. will be interesting to see where these fall in this.
 
without a dream said:
This is a good point. All non EU countries have honest politicians, plentiful cheap high quality housing and everyone in them takes home 6 figures.
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Not possible all non eu countries can't exist without the Eu, that's what we have been told, they are all poor, no trade and fighting wars all the time, peace cannot exist if the uk leaves Europe I hear, without a dream is a good username, fear of change would be another, try with a dream you might like it
 
hilts said:
Not possible all non eu countries can't exist without the Eu, that's what we have been told, they are all poor, no trade and fighting wars all the time, peace cannot exist if the uk leaves Europe I hear, without a dream is a good username, fear of change would be another, try with a dream you might like it
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You seem to have me pegged as an inner. I don't have a clue which way I'll vote yet. The issue is much more complex than either of the campaigns are portraying. Leaving won't make the UK a desolate wasteland but neither will it suddenly turn into some kind of Utopia. I've got plenty more research to do before I decide which way I'm voting.
 
without a dream said:
You seem to have me pegged as an inner. I don't have a clue which way I'll vote yet. The issue is much more complex than either of the campaigns are portraying. Leaving won't make the UK a desolate wasteland but neither will it suddenly turn into some kind of Utopia. I've got plenty more research to do before I decide which way I'm voting.
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Just trust me and vote out, if it goes tits up I will apologise, we are staying in anyhow so you may as well go to the pub instead
 
without a dream said:
You seem to have me pegged as an inner. I don't have a clue which way I'll vote yet. The issue is much more complex than either of the campaigns are portraying. Leaving won't make the UK a desolate wasteland but neither will it suddenly turn into some kind of Utopia. I've got plenty more research to do before I decide which way I'm voting.
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I don't think it is complex. If you want accountability for your lawmakers then vote out, if you don't then vote in.
 
Interesting decision by the civil service. The out campaign will have no access to civil service records or govt papers beyond those they have already seen.
 
Cityfan said:
Services largely fall out with WTO agreements and would have to negotiated separately, to suggest the UK would inevitably be in a strong negotiating position because of our imports is fallacious.
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It still boils down to who wants to buy what your selling, in or out the buyer will go with what he wants, so saying getting the f*ck out from under this band of f*cking robbers will effect any kind of trade is nonsense, without the kickback to the EU the chances are our goods/services will be cheaper and so even more competative in the world markets.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
Expect that to be overturned PDQ.
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It won't be.
It is the job of the civil service to represent the govt and help it do its job.
Whatever the swivel eyed loons think about it the Govt's position is clear.
They want to stay in and so they will get the support of the civil service.
 
What I find fascinating in this debate is the approach of big Businesses.

In my job I work with major organisation helping them to implement change. One of their key battles is around hearts and minds and convincing staff to embrace change and to see it as progress.

I was surprised to learn that when the boot is on the other foot and change is being potentially imposed on them, the big organisations are the ones resisting change using fear as an arguement and defence just as many work forces do when change is imposed upon them.

They should be looking to find ways of exploiting their market positions to enable expansion and growth, looking forward to being able to negotiate on their own terms... I wonder why they are so afraid?
 
denislawsbackheel said:
It won't be.
It is the job of the civil service to represent the govt and help it do its job.
Whatever the swivel eyed loons think about it the Govt's position is clear.
They want to stay in and so they will get the support of the civil service.
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Yeah it'll be overturned.

Nice debating though, certainly keeping it high brow.
 
Just using terminology the outers seem to love using.

You don't understand still.

IT WILL NOT BE OVERTURNED

All the bleating in the world by outers who don't understand the role of the civil service will not change it.
 
I'm interested to know how an out vote would affect my industry of work. I'm in the oil refining industry and in terms of competitiveness within Europe our refineries have their hands tied by environmental regulations that the Middle east, asia, russians etc are not. Refineries in Europe will have to close to allow the ones that remain to regain some competitiveness.

Would the UK government be able to relax certain laws for UK industry etc to maintain our competitiveness and consequently employment levels too?
 
SWP's back said:
That's staggering. I had no idea how relaint on us the Germans are from a trade standpoint.
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It gets better for Leave

About a fifth of all cars produced in Germany last year, or around 820,000 vehicles, were exported to the UK, making it the single biggest destination by volume. Plus 1 in 7 German jobs are related to the car industry. The last thing Germany will want is a trade war with the UK, German car manufacturers will be banging on Merkels door for a free trade deal the day after Brexit if not before.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f6cda050-20bb-11e5-aa5a-398b2169cf79.html#axzz410Rf1Rj5

The tariff argument is totally bogus, Cameron and the Remain camp don't mention it but they can be applied both ways and in any case no one wants a trade war as it hurts everyone. For those that insist the EU would impose tariffs and pursue a trade war to punish a nation that left it and rejected free movement it is fair to ask why would we want to be part of an organisation that acts as a dictatorship even when it is damaging to its own members interests.
 
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