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EU referendum
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I'm interested to know how an out vote would affect my industry of work. I'm in the oil refining industry and in terms of competitiveness within Europe our refineries have their hands tied by environmental regulations that the Middle east, asia, russians etc are not. Refineries in Europe will have to close to allow the ones that remain to regain some competitiveness.
Would the UK government be able to relax certain laws for UK industry etc to maintain our competitiveness and consequently employment levels too?
A sovereign Parliament would be free to make laws to suit UK business, it would be free to subsidise the steel industry, take back our fishing waters and change environmental regulations to benefit UK business if it so wished. What we sell to the EU must conform to theire regulations but what we do here in the UK is up to us.
For now in but i will learn as much as i can before i vote for real in june
This for me.
I've seen the arguments for years and whilst I'm a Federalist by philosophy and logic, if other arguments can convince me then I'm willing to vote Out. World Federalism doesn't necessitate membership of the EU.
Where do Inners stand on TTIP?
A major reason in my head to leave the EU
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Where do Inners stand on TTIP?
Its the single major question mark on leaving the EU for me, and the big problem is its highly unlikely it will be reveled before the referendum so its a major unknown.
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Bookmarked.Just using terminology the outers seem to love using.
You don't understand still.
IT WILL NOT BE OVERTURNED
All the bleating in the world by outers who don't understand the role of the civil service will not change it.
Its the single major question mark on leaving the EU for me, and the big problem is its highly unlikely it will be reveled before the referendum so its a major unknown.
What I find odd is that Cameron spent how many days on his renegotiation but can't or won't exclude the NHS from TTIP, it's a big worry if you value the NHS.
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It's going to be reviewed 28 days prior but I doubt it will be overturned. The Civil Service is there to support and implement government policy and that official policy is that we remain in the EU.Bookmarked.
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Christ. Have only just read about itWhere do Inners stand on TTIP?
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-why-the-answer-should-scare-you-9779688.html
It's horrendous.
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With half of the ruling party backing the out campaign then I can see that turning fairly nasty.It's going to be reviewed 28 days prior but I doubt it will be overturned. The Civil Service is there to support and implement government policy and that official policy is that we remain in the EU.
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What I find odd is that Cameron spent how many days on his renegotiation but can't or won't exclude the NHS from TTIP, it's a big worry if you value the NHS.
the fact there is no actual information on what TTIP is is a problem, its all gossip and apparent leaks of incomplete documents, its still not at the stage where MP's MEP's have seen it.
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Who's fucking negotiating and why hasn't anything been out in the PD? And why.the fact there is no actual information on what TTIP is is a problem, its all gossip and apparent leaks of incomplete documents, its still not at the stage where MP's MEP's have seen it.
the fact there is no actual information on what TTIP is is a problem, its all gossip and apparent leaks of incomplete documents, its still not at the stage where MP's MEP's have seen it.
They don't need to. The EU can stick it in a treaty and every member must abide. It's completely undemocratic.
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Who's fucking negotiating and why hasn't anything been out in the PD? And why.
Trade negotiations are never negotiated in public, they are negotiated behind the scenes then presented to MP's MEP's who will rip it apart and send it back for renegotiation, and that will probably happen quite a few times.
we're a long way off from seeing what it will be.
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Christ. Have only just read about it
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-why-the-answer-should-scare-you-9779688.html
It's horrendous.
God I hope that is scaremongering, get that info out and even the inners would feel extremely uneasy
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They don't need to. The EU can stick it in a treaty and every member must abide. It's completely undemocratic.
No they cant, it can be proposed by the Commission and then it would have to be voted for by the MEP's, every country in Europe will rip it apart to get the best deal for them.
If it does hammer the NHS I get a feeling Cameron will be ignoring it and then just turn around and point at the Evil EU saying "Its not my fault, the big boys did it" even though its what he's wanted anyway.
the fact there is no actual information on what TTIP is is a problem, its all gossip and apparent leaks of incomplete documents, its still not at the stage where MP's MEP's have seen it.
Not the case MEPs are permitted to view TTIP documents in a secluded room and make notes with pencil and paper. MPs can see it but are bound by confidentiality rules mean no electronic devices including phones, tablet and laptop computers, or cameras are allowed in the room. More than a little worrying I would say.
http://www.theguardian.com/business...iles-but-take-only-pencil-and-paper-with-them
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72 times the UK has voted against something and lost doesn't suggest it would feel that democratic for the UK.No they cant, it can be proposed by the Commission and then it would have to be voted for by the MEP's, every country in Europe will rip it apart to get the best deal for them.
If it does hammer the NHS I get a feeling Cameron will be ignoring it and then just turn around and point at the Evil EU saying "Its not my fault, the big boys did it" even though its what he's wanted anyway.
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Not the case MEPs are permitted to view TTIP documents in a secluded room and make notes with pencil and paper. MPs can see it but are bound by confidentiality rules mean no electronic devices including phones, tablet and laptop computers, or cameras are allowed in the room. More than a little worrying I would say.
http://www.theguardian.com/business...iles-but-take-only-pencil-and-paper-with-them
hmm, that sounds dodgy.
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