EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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stonerblue said:
You wanna fill me in on common agricultural policy, eu corporation tax rules, import/export restrictions, local authority grants from europe, european trade agreements, international arrest warrants and, most pertinently, how much the UK gives to the European fund and what we get back?
I'm all ears.
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Come on urmston, i've gotta go out soon.
 
stonerblue said:
You wanna fill me in on common agricultural policy, eu corporation tax rules, import/export restrictions, local authority grants from europe, european trade agreements, international arrest warrants and, most pertinently, how much the UK gives to the European fund and what we get back?
I'm all ears.
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Find out for yourself or just don't vote.

I'm voting Leave because I don't see why UK laws need to be made in a foreign country by a bureaucracy and parliament mostly composed of foreigners.
 
SWP's back said:
1. It's totally relevant. Your peers in the UK are more likely to vote in a party that represents the country you live in. You and your peers have no say in the majority make up of the EU Parliament.

2. Any government can defeat the lords using the Parliament Act. The U.K. Has no such power to force anything through in the EU.
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1. There are political groupings in the European Parliament. You vote for that grouping. In fact as there is an element of PR in how we vote for our MEPs there is an argument to say that individuals are more likely to be represented how they wish.

2. The Parliament Act has been used about half a dozen times in a hundred years. If you're saying that the presence of the Parliament Act negates the House of Lords as a huge constitutional pillar in the UK then you're either poorly informed, disingenuous or stupid. Pick a random bill going through parliament and look what happens as it goes through the lords. It's all there in Hansard.

There is absolutely a debate to be had about democracy in the EU. But it's preposterous that the same right wing tories who make this point give it the whole 'nothing to see here' whenever the House of Lords or FTPT comes into question. It's just British establishment politics.
 
I'm bored of this EU talk now.. I do love the European women, especially the polish ones.. but I voted out. They can still work here, can't they!?

Can't we just do what Ali G did?



Let all the fitties in ! =) LOL
 
Malty said:
I'm bored of this EU talk now.. I do love the European women, especially the polish ones.. but I voted out. They can still work here, can't they!?

Can't we just do what Ali G did?



Let all the fitties in ! =) LOL
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If we leave the EU we can make our own rules on who to let in.

We could pass a law allowing fit Polish women to enter the UK.

Why should we let the EU tell us who to allow in?
 
stonerblue said:
And you call me ignorant.
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The whole point of the campaign before the referendum is to enable people if they wish to gain a better understanding of the issues. The news will be wall to wall on the EU referendum, there will be debates with both sides discussing the issues, public meetings, a huge amount written and the internet is also there for research. The opportunity will be available to learn if people want to. Democracy is the vote, its opportunity to change and influence, whether people are qualified to use it or not is a distraction strategy unless you are arguing that only those qualified with an intimate knowledge of very facet of the EU should be allowed to vote and we go back hundreds of years, no one said democracy is perfect but its a better system than the pseudo democracy that is the EU. The net cost of our EU membership was £8.6 billion or £24 million a day in 2013, the gross contribution figure £14 billion so I am not sure how a figure of £4 million net could ever be quoted as a current figure. We can argue on jobs all day long but as we have a trade deficit with the EU it is reasonable to assume that more jobs in Europe are dependent on us than jobs in the UK are on the EU. No one on the out side is saying we want to stop trading with the EU countries only those on Remain say the EU could stop trading with us and/or impose tariffs which of course could apply both ways damaging both sides.
 
adrian99 said:
The whole point of the campaign before the referendum is to enable people if they wish to gain a better understanding of the issues. The news will be wall to wall on the EU referendum, there will be debates with both sides discussing the issues, public meetings, a huge amount written and the internet is also there for research. The opportunity will be available to learn if people want to. Democracy is the vote, its opportunity to change and influence, whether people are qualified to use it or not is a distraction strategy unless you are arguing that only those qualified with an intimate knowledge of very facet of the EU should be allowed to vote and we go back hundreds of years, no one said democracy is perfect but its a better system than the pseudo democracy that is the EU. The net cost of our EU membership was £8.6 billion or £24 million a day in 2013, the gross contribution figure £14 billion so I am not sure how a figure of £4 million net could ever be quoted as a current figure. We can argue on jobs all day long but as we have a trade deficit with the EU it is reasonable to assume that more jobs in Europe are dependent on us than jobs in the UK are on the EU. No one on the out side is saying we want to stop trading with the EU countries only those on Remain say the EU could stop trading with us and/or impose tariffs which of course could apply both ways damaging both sides.
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Post your source for those figures.
 
He's right. the net figure for 2013 was £8.6 billion. The figure for last year was over £10 billion, and is expected to rise to around £13 billion due to our relatively successful economy compared to the rest of the EU. Worth every penny I'm sure everyone would agree. ;)
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Your paper was published in November 2013 so that will be estimates rather than the actual out-turn.
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Thanks again.
You see the point i was trying to make though? Even if you put my intelligence down as 'average' i've become confused after an hour or two's research on this one simple question and still not convinced i got to the truth. Can we really trust the 'average' voter to spend hours and hours and hours studying the implications of EU membership and all the pros and cons?

The impression i get from talking to the public (and i do this a lot) is that people are bothered about single issues, and it's usually immigration and giving 'our' money away.
 
stonerblue said:
Thanks again.
You see the point i was trying to make though? Even if you put my intelligence down as 'average' i've become confused after an hour or two's research on this one simple question and still not convinced i got to the truth. Can we really trust the 'average' voter to spend hours and hours and hours studying the implications of EU membership and all the pros and cons?

The impression i get from talking to the public (and i do this a lot) is that people are bothered about single issues, and it's usually immigration and giving 'our' money away.
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People are entitled to vote on whatever issues they want though. Some will look at the pros and cons of everything the EU has a hand in, some will focus on a few issues that are important to them and find whether in or out suits better and some will see something as a red line and vote the other way.
 
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