EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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Not that it matters but I have decided to vote out mainly because I know it will be close to 70/30 in but I would like it to be 51/49 just so we could shit up the ministers in to knowing that this beaurocracy is wrong. The country will vote in as better the devil you know, the problem is do we know the devil??
 
stonerblue said:
Not everyone has the internet or tech savvy enough to find the info even if they wanted to. Millions of people still rely on newspapers, which is where the 350m a week figure was emblazoned and now most of them believe it as gospel.
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Ah, I see. That's why you don't think they should have a vote in the referendum. It isn't your own ignorance you are worried about. It's everyone else's.
 
BoyBlue_1985 said:
Not that it matters but I have decided to vote out mainly because I know it will be close to 70/30 in but I would like it to be 51/49 just so we could shit up the ministers in to knowing that this beaurocracy is wrong. The country will vote in as better the devil you know, the problem is do we know the devil??
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Just like the Scots. Spineless when it comes down to it.

The country needs radical change.. it isn't sustainable with the current model. Our resources are stretched across the board.. unemployment rate at an all time high.. time for change.
 
Malty said:
Just like the Scots. Spineless when it comes down to it.

The country needs radical change.. it isn't sustainable with the current model. Our resources are stretched across the board.. unemployment rate at an all time high.. time for change.
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I don't know if spineless is the word but over the next 4 months people will be fed so much propaganda they will lose the plot and think my life is okay let's carry on. Like all peoples want what's extorts and myself but I truly do not know the answer but an unquestionable government ruling all governments just doesn't sit right with me especially when it seems the greater good is not for the people they claim to represent but them themselves again without a vote.

I am sure bluemooners can inform me and I implore them to do so but I see no good from the EU as it stands. I care little about immigration as that's been the uk for a long time, I just think people of our little island in the North Atlantic Ocean should be able to vote for what's right for them over somebody in Eastern Europe telling us we are wrong
 
Sooner rather than later Germany will start giving citizenship to the million plus people it let in last year and the million it'll probably let in this year too.

And when that happens they'll be free to live anywhere in the EU.
 
Monkfish said:
made up propaganda



4 months to go, think your right about being fed propaganda but which way it will swing the vote??? Maybe patriot Murdoch will decide...
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You know and I know this country will vote in. Murdoch can shout all he wants but his following is being decimated by the day in terms of newspaper following. Myself I'm not sure either vote is a winner
 
BoyBlue_1985 said:
Not that it matters but I have decided to vote out mainly because I know it will be close to 70/30 in but I would like it to be 51/49 just so we could shit up the ministers in to knowing that this beaurocracy is wrong. The country will vote in as better the devil you know, the problem is do we know the devil??
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The only problem is we know the devil today but the devil not fixed it is evolving, I fear a vote to Remain will be a green light for the EU to continue as before and it knows only one path the route to a United States of Europe. Should Leave lose and I expect we will, fear will win out, I believe the EU will fail in any case because of the rising anti EU sentiment in Europe, there are far too many parties within EU countries that want out. Who would have believed Merkel could be this close to being removed even 12 months ago? The EU's failure on the migrant crisis has shown what an utterly useless club it is and has shown it's lack of solidarity, the EU is not one country it is many with different views, needs and priorities. This crisis created by the EU's leading light Merkel acting unilaterally as the EU dictator ignoring national democracy and inviting these people to come.
 
Monkfish said:
made up propaganda



4 months to go, think your right about being fed propaganda but which way it will swing the vote??? Maybe patriot Murdoch will decide...
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BBC and Sky are hardly pro Leave. The BBC receives EU money its not just about newspapers.
 
stonerblue said:
Not everyone has the internet or tech savvy enough to find the info even if they wanted to. Millions of people still rely on newspapers, which is where the 350m a week figure was emblazoned and now most of them believe it as gospel.
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If this figure is untrue no doubt our PM will take it apart he has plenty of opportunity to do so, however this figure has been quoted for some time and he has not done so thus far, I wonder why? It's a gross figure, at best for the Remain argument the EU costs us £33 million a day net to trade with an EU who sell more to us than we do to them, it's insane. That £12 billion could go to the NHS and help people here not pay for the redevelopment of Eastern Europe as part of a EU wealth redistribution scheme.
 
gazmedina said:
1. There are political groupings in the European Parliament. You vote for that grouping. In fact as there is an element of PR in how we vote for our MEPs there is an argument to say that individuals are more likely to be represented how they wish.

2. The Parliament Act has been used about half a dozen times in a hundred years. If you're saying that the presence of the Parliament Act negates the House of Lords as a huge constitutional pillar in the UK then you're either poorly informed, disingenuous or stupid. Pick a random bill going through parliament and look what happens as it goes through the lords. It's all there in Hansard.

There is absolutely a debate to be had about democracy in the EU. But it's preposterous that the same right wing tories who make this point give it the whole 'nothing to see here' whenever the House of Lords or FTPT comes into question. It's just British establishment politics.
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1. There is zero arguement to be made as such.

2. So you would rather ignore the Parliament act? You say it's been used half a dozen times in a hundred years, it's been used that same half dozen times in the last 15 years as it wasn't touched for the first 90. The Lords has also managed to turn away some truly awful legislation thankfully.
 
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stonerblue said:
Thanks again.
You see the point i was trying to make though? Even if you put my intelligence down as 'average' i've become confused after an hour or two's research on this one simple question and still not convinced i got to the truth. Can we really trust the 'average' voter to spend hours and hours and hours studying the implications of EU membership and all the pros and cons?

The impression i get from talking to the public (and i do this a lot) is that people are bothered about single issues, and it's usually immigration and giving 'our' money away.
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It's the same with any vote though, be it a GE or referenda. A huge amount of people are too thick/ignorant to vote and most vote in GE's as their family did.

I've suggested some sort of test that one must pass to vote (maybe identifying two or three policies from a list of ten as an example) but I think I got called a **** for it.
 
Nobody thinks to add the unseen costs of being under the EU jackboot.

How about Cancer research as an example ?.
The EU`s Clinical trials directive has increased the cost of experiments by 1000% ( yes thats the correct figure), leading to a third less clinical studies taking place in Britain, we have gone from the world leaders in these studies to lagging behind the likes of the USA.

Or small businesses ?
The amount of small businesses either driven under or unable to grow because of the mountains of red tape generated by the 33,000 civil servants of the European commission runs into thousands, nobody can guest at how many deaths from suicide or stress related illness can be directly attributed to this.

Or just people ?
Losing a job or a contract because mass immigration has flooded the jobs market, unable to get into hospital for an operation you need because there are no beds, or even see a GP because the practice is swamped, perhaps you need a council house...Well you aint getting one because the waiting lists you have been on for the last god knows how many years get added to every f*cking week by financial migrants, same with school places.


How in gods name can anyone think finite resources can continue to be stretched with unlimited migration and not break?.
How can anyone think paying a kickback to a middleman who produces nothing yet grabs a slice of every transaction is a good thing ?

Yes, it costs us Billions to be in their little club, but it costs in lives lost and ruined as well.
 
CityStu said:
This is truly an argument for simpletons.
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And that will account for millions of the votes.

The side which will win? The one that frightens the shit out of those thinking of voting for the other but at the last minute change their mind 'cos they've been frightened that the sky will fall in if we stay in , or frightened that the sky will fall in if we vote out!

It will be a re-run of that fine debate which accompanied Scots independence.
 
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