EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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Damocles said:
Actually it is perfect logic.

You say you've researched it an awful lot and I trust that you're not lying about this. You've searched your beliefs and decided on a strong LEAVE vote. As I disagree with you on literally every political, ethical and philosophical position that you have ever expressed then it's perfectly logical to presume that I would do so on issue number 364,856 aswell.
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I haven't said I've researched it an awful lot. Are you confusing me with someone else?

I said I'm voting Leave because I said I don't want foreign bureaucrats and a foreign parliament deciding on laws which apply in the UK.
 
urmston said:
I haven't said I've researched it an awful lot. Are you confusing me with someone else?

I said I'm voting Leave because I said I don't want foreign bureaucrats and a foreign parliament deciding on laws which apply in the UK.
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Yours is exactly the the kind of reason why allowing a referendum is simply stupid. You obviously know fuck all about any other issue apart from the 'foreigners' angle.
Should we remove all 'foreign' investment from the UK as well?
 
stonerblue said:
Yours is exactly the the kind of reason why allowing a referendum is simply stupid. You obviously know fuck all about any other issue apart from the 'foreigners' angle.
Should we remove all 'foreign' investment from the UK as well?
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I never realized the right to invest and the right of residency were linked, does this mean I have to sell my sisco shares?
 
CityStu said:
Because you can take the names out of that argument and it still makes sense. Your post basically said these people I don't like support X, so I will support Y; completely ignoring that other people you don't like support Y. It is a self serving argument that people use to give credence to a decision they have already made on different factors. Those different factors are the ones that interest me and at least you've mentioned them in this post.

I don't think they have absolutely no idea of the consequences. It's admittedly hard to predict consequences exactly, but intelligent guesses can be made. For example, why would the EU levy huge trade fees on the UK when the UK imports more than it exports? Why would the EU stop trading with an independent UK (Switzerland trade a higher percentage of their exports to the EU than the UK does currently!)?

Politicians like the EU gravy train. Staying in would keep potentially lucrative EU roles open to them at the end of their UK parliamentary career. Likewise big business leaders and US politicians are telling the people of the UK to vote the way that best suits them - not the UK people.
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Whilst some of the logic about levy's and tariffs sound unarguable, never forget the opportunity we will present to Europe to not only 'bring us down a peg or two'. Not only that, if we leave with no consequence, the whole European project risks collapse and I rather think the French and Germans won't be minded to let that happen.
 
stonerblue said:
Yours is exactly the the kind of reason why allowing a referendum is simply stupid. You obviously know fuck all about any other issue apart from the 'foreigners' angle.
Should we remove all 'foreign' investment from the UK as well?
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If you think the referendum is stupid then boycott it.

As a person who is democratic to the very core of my being, someone who respects the views and opinions of others and is happy that they can have their say on this important matter, I'm very pleased we are having a referendum.

Isn't it funny that the main opponents of a referendum are all the people who claim to revere the wisdom of the common people - the Labour party, socialists, the Islington Guardian set - they never wanted a referendum and are appalled that everyone is having a say.
 
urmston said:
If you think the referendum is stupid then boycott it.

As a person who is democratic to the very core of my being, someone who respects the views and opinions of others and is happy that they can have their say on this important matter, I'm very pleased we are having a referendum.

Isn't it funny that the main opponents of a referendum are all the people who claim to revere the wisdom of the common people - the Labour party, socialists, the Islington Guardian set - they never wanted a referendum and are appalled that everyone is having a say.
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One person from what I can see on here.
 
urmston said:
I haven't said I've researched it an awful lot. Are you confusing me with someone else?

I said I'm voting Leave because I said I don't want foreign bureaucrats and a foreign parliament deciding on laws which apply in the UK.
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Umm..that is a very distinct possibility. Actually now reading it back, that's pretty much exactly what I've done, yes.
 
grunge said:
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Blame the Torys for crippling the services, and selling off the council houses, not the people using them.
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Labour increased unemployment by 500,000 from two million before the 1997 general election to 2.5 million by 2010.
Almost one million 16-to-24-year-olds in England were classed as not in education, employment or training by the time the party left office.
Of the increase in employment levels under Labour, 72 per cent was accounted for by foreign workers. Migrant workers were imported while Britons were allowed to languish on welfare.

Ministers disastrously predicted only 13,000 arrivals from Eastern Europe when they threw open the UK’s borders in 2004. More than one million came.
A policy of mass immigration saw the foreign-born population rise by 3.6 million — equivalent to the combined population of Leeds, Birmingham, Glasgow, Sheffield and Bradford.

Just saying..
 
whp.blue said:
You implied a link between the removal of Foreign nationals with foreign investment where non actually exists.
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Did i fuck. I said if he/she (urmston) didn't want foreigners, as he put in, making laws that affect the UK because they were, foreign, then are we to remove all foreign investment in the UK becaues it's, er, foreign.
 
blueincy said:
Labour increased unemployment by 500,000 from two million before the 1997 general election to 2.5 million by 2010.
Almost one million 16-to-24-year-olds in England were classed as not in education, employment or training by the time the party left office.
Of the increase in employment levels under Labour, 72 per cent was accounted for by foreign workers. Migrant workers were imported while Britons were allowed to languish on welfare.

Ministers disastrously predicted only 13,000 arrivals from Eastern Europe when they threw open the UK’s borders in 2004. More than one million came.
A policy of mass immigration saw the foreign-born population rise by 3.6 million — equivalent to the combined population of Leeds, Birmingham, Glasgow, Sheffield and Bradford.

Just saying..
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That increase in unemployment under labour during the worst economic crisis in post war history was actually better than most other western countries So it's a stupid comment.

It is the equivalent of criticising the Tories and Churchills war time government for failing on healthcare because the death rate went up and citing the Tories being responsible for homeless children because of evacuees
 
EalingBlue2 said:
That increase in unemployment under labour during the worst economic crisis in post war history was actually better than most other western countries So it's a stupid comment.

It is the equivalent of criticising the Tories and Churchills war time government for failing on healthcare because the death rate went up and citing the Tories being responsible for homeless children because of evacuees
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Government debt was £350 billion in 1997. By 2007, it had risen to £527 billion — proving the Blair/Brown Government spent too much long before the financial crash.
Labour presided over the longest and deepest fall in the size of the British economy since World War II. Between the start of 2008 and mid-2009, GDP shrank by 6 per cent.
At 10.2 per cent of GDP, public sector net borrowing in 2010 was at its highest level since records began in 1956.
Britain was borrowing around £150 billion a year by Labour’s final year in power — with future generations left to pick up the bill.

:)
 
blueincy said:
Government debt was £350 billion in 1997. By 2007, it had risen to £527 billion — proving the Blair/Brown Government spent too much long before the financial crash.
Labour presided over the longest and deepest fall in the size of the British economy since World War II. Between the start of 2008 and mid-2009, GDP shrank by 6 per cent.
At 10.2 per cent of GDP, public sector net borrowing in 2010 was at its highest level since records began in 1956.
Britain was borrowing around £150 billion a year by Labour’s final year in power — with future generations left to pick up the bill.

:)
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Anyone frankly who seriously uses the 2007-2009 figures to try and criticise the economic performance of any government right or left doesn't understand the most basic economic issues in the slightest.
its unicorn and fairy dust politics to try and pretend in those years anything too different could have been done. I accept the 97-07 comments and things were done wrong then in the UK and in countries like Aus where huge surpluses were frittered away in middle class welfare but once Armageddon hit there was little option for governments
 
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