EU referendum

[Ancient Citizen]

You may be correct on that point. We could end up with pay on par with the Indian subcontinent e.g. Bangladesh $68 a month.

We could also end up on a par with Norway and Bermuda.
Anyone can throw possibilities around.

 

[jonmcity]

I dont see any corporate multi national companies having any values or ethics, its all to do with how much cash can I take out short/medium term. If our market shrinks they will go elsewhere. simple economics.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Err. IRA?

Being in / out of the EU will make zero difference to terrorist attacks.

True, it also makes zero difference to outside attack.

 

[jonmcity]

We could also end up on a par with Norway and Bermuda.
Anyone can throw possibilities around.

I accept that is a possibility, however we have a population much larger than those countries and do not have the natural resource like Norway's gas, oil, copper, lead and timber

 

[urmston]

According to the EU this is a list of things the EU has done for Manchester.

A total lie.

The biased, socialist leaning rag doesn't mention that the UK is a net contributor to the EU to the tune of a net £23 million per day so these projects were effectively funded by UK taxpayers money which was sent to Brussels. The EU took its cut for bureaucracy, expenses, chauffeurs etc and to give to foreigners before giving us the remainder back.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...r-news/things-eu-done-for-manchester-11020085

According to the MEN the EU money used for the 14 projects mentioned in its article comes to £74.7 million.

The UK would save that in just over 3 days if we quit the EU and stop giving it £23 million per day.

The MEN doesn't mention that either.

What wonderful new things could we have had in Manchester and elsewhere with the £8.4 billion the EU takes off us every year?

 

[CatMan]

Err. IRA?

Being in / out of the EU will make zero difference to terrorist attacks.

Chap, In case you failed to notice the IRA have been on a ceasefire for nearly 20 years.

Furthermore, from June 77 million Turks, of which as many as 10% as IS sympathisers, will be given VISA free travel throughout Europe. Now if you think it's safer to allow them here and not to control our borders then you are deluded.

 

[CatMan]

Complete and utter bullshit, I assume with point one being garbage points 2,3 and 4 aren't worth reading

How is this not a fact! Our annual contribution to the EU is £20 billion. If we are not in the EU we don't pay that.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

How is this not a fact! Our annual contribution to the EU is £20 billion. If we are not in the EU we don't pay that.

We dont pay that and we are in the EU

Chap, In case you failed to notice the IRA have been on a ceasefire for nearly 20 years.

Furthermore, from June 77 million Turks, of which as many as 10% as IS sympathisers, will be given VISA free travel throughout Europe. Now if you think it's safer to allow them here and not to control our borders then you are deluded.

We are not in the Schengen area scheme so it would not apply to the UK.

 

[DiscoSteve]

Outies still have a healthy lead over the Innies - hope this is reflected in the vote in June

 

[Monkfish]

How is this not a fact! Our annual contribution to the EU is £20 billion. If we are not in the EU we don't pay that.

I think your Lincoln local leave group pals may be having you over, have you been 'ambushed' or is your misinformation deliberate and just part of the Lincoln fog of war?

If I believed in something enough to go out campaigning about it I would at least want to make I sure I had a clue what I was talking about

 

[Monkfish]

Outies still have a healthy lead over the Innies - hope this is reflected in the vote in June

Apart from age this is pretty much leaves target market, I would have expected it to be 70-30 on here in favour of leave

On that score isn't it a bit rum an 18 year olds vote only counts the same as someone in their 80's given the long term consequences of the decision?

 

[Chippy_boy]

Outies still have a healthy lead over the Innies - hope this is reflected in the vote in June

I think the outies have the advantage that emotionally, no-one likes being told what to do; no-one likes being told that the rules are being made my someone else and they are powerless to do anything about it; and no-one like bureaucrats, red tape and stupid nonsense rules.

So emotionally, there's lots of reasons to leave. Your heart says leave.

But taking emotion out of it, and thinking about it objectively, it's a completely different decision (and one where my mind is genuinely not made up). On the one hand you have the fact the EU is an inward facing, bureaucratic nightmare, strangled with needless red tape, regulation, inefficiency. And with member states teetering on the brink of bankruptcy - states like Italy, Spain and even France - which if they were to topple over, would take the whole of the EU with them since there isn't enough liquidity available to keep them afloat.

Then on the other hand you have the prospect of leaving and at a stroke, putting > 50% of our entire exports at grave risk. I hear people say "but the EU exports more to us than they do to them". Well that's a fucking idiotic argument and a sham. Why? Because,

1. Our imports are from 27 member states, who in principle only stand to lose 1/27th where we stand to lose the whole bloody thing. WIth no trade agreement in place, our economy tanks for the foreseeable future. We are talking 10 years of recession. If we have no trade agreement, do you think Latvia caress as much about their loss of exports to the UK? No, of course they don't.

2. The largest proportion of our imports (the EU's exports) are from Germany who could perhaps be persuaded into a free-trade agreement with us, since they have a lot to lose. But what about the other 26 states? A tariff-free trade agreement would need the support of all 27 member states, including some who export fuck all to us, and wouldn't give a shit if they slapped a +20% import duty on UK goods. in fact they'd welcome it, they'd be happy to give us the two finger salute for walking out on them. They'd also lap up the prospect of protecting their domestic market from unfair "cheap" competion from the UK.

Seriously, does anyone REALLY think the French would allow us unfettered access to their market without strings attached? The French? Really? Not a fucking prayer. They would block it as sure as eggs is eggs. Other states would block it because if they didn't, they'd be worried that other countries might "do a UK" and also leave. In short there is no reason to believe a favourable trade agreement could be negotiated any time soon, if ever.

The very likely outcome is that in order to secure agreement, we'd have to sign up to a load of shite such as the working time directive, the supremecy of the european court of human rights and other such garbage that we are so keen to get away from. And we'd have export duties and restrictions and we'd have no voting power regards any of the shite we are forced to sign up to.

So our options are stay in, and be tied to a generally corrupt, underperforming, ragbag collection of near bankrupt states. Or to leave and in all certainly ruin our economy for the next 10 years.

Some choice eh.

 

[hgblue]

I think your Lincoln local leave group pals may be having you over, have you been 'ambushed' or is your misinformation deliberate and just part of the Lincoln fog of war?

If I believed in something enough to go out campaigning about it I would at least want to make I sure I had a clue what I was talking about

9.1 billion pounds last year, and projected to be over 10 billion pounds this year. I've not worked out how many new hospitals or schools this would build, how many teachers or doctors this would hire, but I'm sure keeping French farmers in the manner to which they've become accustomed is a much smarter use of this money.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

9.1 billion pounds last year, and projected to be over 10 billion pounds this year. I've not worked out how many new hospitals or schools this would build, how many teachers or doctors this would hire, but I'm sure keeping French farmers in the manner to which they've become accustomed is a much smarter use of this money.

Doctors eh. the ones currently being screwed over by the current fraudsters in the HoC and you think they would be smarter with your money?

One of hundreds of letters, everywhere....

Last night I was the sole doctor on site caring for over 100 patients who were acutely unwell with complications from their cancer. Some couldn't breath, some were fighting overwhelming infections with literally no immune system, one had bleeding in their head, one had a blockage in their bowels. If I made a mistake because I was tired, any one of these patients could've died.

Every cancer patient in the south birmingham region has a direct line to call for advice or help. 11 new unwell patients arrived and I assessed and treated them too.

There was not a single manager in the whole hospital. Last night, I ran the oncology service for the whole south birmingham region from inside the biggest teaching hospital in Europe.
Apparently I have no transferable skills to find a different job.

And then I stood on a picket line in the cold to save our NHS. But my shift wasn't during the strike, it was just what countless other junior doctors do everyday.

I am 27 years old. I work 60 hours a week, for the 48 that I'm paid for, I earn £18/hour.
Apparently I lack vocation, I'm overpaid and I need to work harder.

Screw you Jeremy Hunt. We never asked for thanks. All we do is for our patients, how dare you try and turn them against us. All of this is your government's fault. Well you've picked a fight with the wrong crowd.

Go on, announce imposition, and just see what the most resilient, driven, passionate, intelligent group of people in Britain do next. Bring it on.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I think your Lincoln local leave group pals may be having you over, have you been 'ambushed' or is your misinformation deliberate and just part of the Lincoln fog of war?

If I believed in something enough to go out campaigning about it I would at least want to make I sure I had a clue what I was talking about

Keep reading the Mail then, it's influenced you a lot so far.

 

[hilts]

Doctors eh. the ones currently being screwed over by the current fraudsters in the HoC and you think they would be smarter with your money?

One of hundreds of letters, everywhere....

Last night I was the sole doctor on site caring for over 100 patients who were acutely unwell with complications from their cancer. Some couldn't breath, some were fighting overwhelming infections with literally no immune system, one had bleeding in their head, one had a blockage in their bowels. If I made a mistake because I was tired, any one of these patients could've died.

Every cancer patient in the south birmingham region has a direct line to call for advice or help. 11 new unwell patients arrived and I assessed and treated them too.

There was not a single manager in the whole hospital. Last night, I ran the oncology service for the whole south birmingham region from inside the biggest teaching hospital in Europe.
Apparently I have no transferable skills to find a different job.

And then I stood on a picket line in the cold to save our NHS. But my shift wasn't during the strike, it was just what countless other junior doctors do everyday.

I am 27 years old. I work 60 hours a week, for the 48 that I'm paid for, I earn £18/hour.
Apparently I lack vocation, I'm overpaid and I need to work harder.

Screw you Jeremy Hunt. We never asked for thanks. All we do is for our patients, how dare you try and turn them against us. All of this is your government's fault. Well you've picked a fight with the wrong crowd.

Go on, announce imposition, and just see what the most resilient, driven, passionate, intelligent group of people in Britain do next. Bring it on.

With that last line I'm amazed you manage to get your head through the hospital doors, you must have very strong neck muscles fella

 

[Monkfish]

Keep reading the Mail then, it's influenced you a lot so far.

thanks for the advice

9.1 billion pounds last year, and projected to be over 10 billion pounds this year.

thats good! on page 101 it was 20 billion, give it a few more pages and were in profit

 

[BigJoe#1]

thanks for the advice



thats good! on page 101 it was 20 billion, give it a few more pages and were in profit

I think you'll find (very rounded figures) we contribute £20bn, receive back £9bn therefore rounded net contribution is circa, £11bn. Even if it was as small a figure as £2bn, it's money we don't have, that we're having to pay for through tough austerity measures. You have to recognise why people will focus on this and question it. It would be strange if they didn't, would it not?

 

[Gelsons Dad]

I believe the net figure is about 8.5 billion cost to be in the EU.
The most basic question is do we receive 8.5 billion worth of benefit being in the EU? Given that a large number of EU countries get all those benefits for nothing then I fail to see any value in being in this club.

 

[blueish swede]

This is the fundamental problem at the heart of the outers argument, isn't it. It's all someone elses fault that the UK gets a "bad deal". The nasty French and the bullying Germans seem to be favourites. Not the fault of the British at all. And when the UK leaves these same politicians who have failed completely for the past forty years will all of a sudden become world beaters and negotiate fantastic deals with "the world" over a cup of tea and a slice of cake and everything in the garden will be rosy.