EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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Over two world wars they could not beat us with the sword.........please please please don't let us be beaten by the pen!
 
FanchesterCity said:
I think there is hyperbole on both sides and it's making matters worse. it IS being used to scare, and there comes a point when if you overblow the fear, people stop believing any of the negatives.

I recall something similar when people changed to the EURO - prices would hike dramatically. But they never did. Here and there there were changes, but on the whole, it worked. In that instance is was moving towards unity rather than away from it, but still, the fear machine was in operation.
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They did in Germany and Greece
Don't you remember the Greek public going berserk at price rises!
I know in Germany nearly everything in retail increased in cost
 
I see John major and tony Blair have been dusted down to pipe up.....

When is that report being released again Anthony Wedgwood?

Birds, bees leaving, world war 3, economic collapse, and now the Northern Ireland peace process is at risk....

Gosh why would any prime minister give a referendum and risk this only a nutter would put that in his manifesto.
 
yep said:
Sarah Wollaston left the Brexit camp because they were "peddling lies", if she is a woman of conscience the following cannot be a lie.

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If George Osborne is not peddling lies in the poster above then he must be planning the removal of the triple lock on the state pension which rises every year by the highest of price inflation, earnings growth or 2.5%. Otherwise there would be no loss to the pensioners if Brexit wins!
If he is not planning to remove the triple lock then he is peddling lies which is Sarah Wollaston's objection to the Brexit camp!

Now, if I was a cynic,which thank the Lord I'm not ,sir, Sarah's logic for leaving Brexit does not compute.
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How can anything cost a pensioner £32k? They don't get 32k.

It wouldn't be another scare tactic would it?

Using Wollastons logic, she should be leaving the Remain campaign in the morning... I await the morning news with interest!
 
YPhrunts said:
Read, assimilate and digest.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...ges-fight-back-against-europes-imperial-cour/
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Good read that. It's fairly partisan, but all the same, it's a very good and emotive piece.

It makes me wish we could approach the EU again, from the start and all set out a lot more rigid boundaries from the start. It may even come to that if the EU is in danger of collapse, but I fear the credibility of it will be impossible to salvage if there's a mass exodus.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
How can anything cost a pensioner £32k? They don't get 32k.

It wouldn't be another scare tactic would it?

Using Wollastons logic, she should be leaving the Remain campaign in the morning... I await the morning news with interest!
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I agree it's scare tactics, but I'm sure it'll be referring the value on an average pension (including private pensions) or something. It's this stuff that just puts people off and can have the reverse effect of not scaring anybody, but angering them and causing them to vote the other way.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Just an idea, why don't we do an Ireland?

Let's drop the corporation tax to 10 per cent and see half of Europe base over here!

You don't need trade agreements if all the traders are set up here.
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I think we've already done that informally with so many companies playing a pittance in tax.

I would like to see Companies pay the proper corporate tax rates myself
 
Tim of the Oak said:
I think we've already done that informally with so many companies playing a pittance in tax.

I would like to see Companies pay the proper corporate tax rates myself
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Sadly, they do. They just manipulate their internal budget centres to make sure the UK branch of operations never seems to be very profitable, but the Cayman Islands (slightly tongue in cheek) office is a real profit earner.

Basically the UK office brings in a million quid, but the US office charges the UK budget center 900K to hire the American boss in the UK, and another 100K for IT services, and then they tell the UK government that it just about broke even, and we are lucky that are even here given the poor profitability in the UK.

Can't really blame the company in some ways, because our companies do the same when abroad - a good company pays the least tax it needs to.

Not sure how you can possibly police it well enough.
 
FanchesterCity said:
That's not what it says. It says 10% of their laws emanate from the EU - not the same as only accepting 10% of EU laws. They could have thousands of their own.

I can accept 100% of EU laws, but that only be 10% of all my laws.
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But the arguement was that Norway, despite not being a member, has to accept 100% of EU laws in order to trade.
This shows it's nonsense.

It's choice of regulations work in the same way. If it works for Norway they accept the regulation, if it doesn't they reject it. Norway wants to have a good trading relationship with the EU, its not seeking to antagonise. There is nothing to suggest the UK could not have a similar healthy, friendly relationship with the EU without the need to be a member.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
But the arguement was that Norway, despite not being a member, has to accept 100% of EU laws in order to trade.
This shows it's nonsense.

It's choice of regulations work in the same way. If it works for Norway they accept the regulation, if it doesn't they reject it. Norway wants to have a good trading relationship with the EU, its not seeking to antagonise. There is nothing to suggest the UK could not have a similar healthy, friendly relationship with the EU without the need to be a member.
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No, it had to accept all the ones that relate to trade with the eu.it has, except one on postmen or something

It's probably a lot more compliant than Italy

Ps it also had to accept free movement of people

Exodus...
 
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