EU referendum

[SWP's back]

Got it the wrong way round, did I? I'm not sure it's that simple.

Yes you did and yes it is.

http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/437/trade/effects-of-falling-exchange-rates/

 

[MillionMilesAway]

You're being brainwashed mate. Remain want leave to state their economic commitments in the future and leave do not have the mandate to do that. Only the present government chancellor has the power to do that but he hasn't has he. Why? because he is required to produce a budget without prior publicity so that tax dodges are avoided. Both sides are in effect stymied in what they can say.
This leaves other organisations an advantage to push their biased and self interested positions by scaremongering which is why this referendum is reduced to how much they can scare the opposite side.
Take as a crystal clear example the call today from University research departments that leaving Europe would damage their funding to do research. There is no answer to it is there. Brexit MP's can't turn round and promise that they would fill that funding gap if they won the referendum because they haven't got a mandate to do it or even say it. It would be the present government and whoever is chancellor that would have to implement any changes. That would then be down to Party interests and to manifesto commitments. There should be no other way to proceed in a transparent democracy. We don't have transparency while attached to a superior body that doesn't need to produce a manifesto at all as it has no opposition. Financial decisions are just 'arrived at'. See Bill Cashes statement a few post above. Brussels won't even tell you how many employees it has.

I'm really not.
I have never said that they ought to be able to provide policies or manifestos, but that they should be able to assess what might happen. They're very different to my eyes.

As for Remain doing that, then they shouldn't either, much for the reasons you give.

As a different example, the Scottish referendum had the expected economy based on oil revenue. Fair at the time, but 12 months later, unthinkable. That level of assessment should be possible.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Absolute bollox. If you want to debate then debate but making up a pack of lies is a bit sad. Get back to project immigration and I will stick up for workers rights!

I have no idea who you are talking to. Was that to me or the flip flop guy?[/QUOTE]

The flip flop guy made an excellent post. I agree with the need to control immigration.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

I have no idea who you are talking to. Was that to me or the flip flop guy?

The flip flop guy made an excellent post. I agree with the need to control immigration.[/QUOTE]

So what is my pack of lies? I am totally confused.

 

[urban genie]

Why would anyone listen to dyson, his biggest achievement is making shitloads of money off shit products that he has convinced people are worth paying over the odds for. Air blade fans , that washing machine, pet groomer,the hoovers that hardly pick up stuff and them hand dryers that actually spread germ according to independant research, all a con

 

[YPhrunts]

I'm really not.
I have never said that they ought to be able to provide policies or manifestos, but that they should be able to assess what might happen. They're very different to my eyes.

As for Remain doing that, then they shouldn't either, much for the reasons you give.

As a different example, the Scottish referendum had the expected economy based on oil revenue. Fair at the time, but 12 months later, unthinkable. That level of assessment should be possible.

And that's the sort of level we are at. We know we give Brussels a load of money and we know that we will be able to spend it on ourselves if we leave. Where it gets spent is up for discussion later. Don't expect detail in advance of the event.

 

[kippaxwarrior]

I find it somewhat strange that people are using James Dyson as a reason to push for leave,
this is a businessman who's model is fuck everyone else I'm alright jack, let's not forget this bloke moved his entire production line to Malaysia costing 900 jobs here in the UK just to save a few £££
If Dyson say leave then I'm more likely to vote remain.

You do know why Dyson moved his production to Malaysia don't you? At the time North Wiltshire council refused him planning permission to expand his land in Malmesbury and because he could find anything cheaper around that area they moved it to Malaysia. Also most of the 900 production staff were re-employed by Dyson in other parts of the business. Now before you start asking do I work for Dyson no I dont however I work for a company who have close ties with Dyson and i have been to there Plant in Malmesbury a few times and everything apart from production is there. I have been to meetings where James and his son Jake have spoken and i can absolutely assure you they are not motivated by money in any way. Next time I would do a bit of research before you start stating things as fact

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Why would anyone listen to dyson, his biggest achievement is making shitloads of money off shit products that he has convinced people are worth paying over the odds for. Air blade fans , that washing machine, pet groomer,the hoovers that hardly pick up stuff and them hand dryers that actually spread germ according to independant research, all a con

I totally agree dyson products are clunky expensive crap. The hoovers are awful. Miele cat and dog hoovers are the best. Think Italian made.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

And that's the sort of level we are at. We know we give Brussels a load of money and we know that we will be able to spend it on ourselves if we leave. Where it gets spent is up for discussion later. Don't expect detail in advance of the event.

1. It's not just about the funding.
2. At no point have I said they should be able to pin down where it will be spent. As others have said, no-one can predict that.

 

[YPhrunts]

1. It's not just about the funding.
2. At no point have I said they should be able to pin down where it will be spent. As others have said, no-one can predict that.

You say you want 'a ball park' estimate. That's where we are at.

 

[smudgedj]

http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtscha...elsabkommen-ceta-nicht-mitreden-14279991.html

For those EU sycophants who struggle with their masters language, as I struggle with this one, its basically stating that the EU want TTIP and CETA to no longer be described as "a mixed agreement" but as a pure EU agreement.

Which means the parliaments of the EU member states will not have a say in ratification.

 

[Chippy_boy]

He doesn't know there will be any.

Let me ask you this simple question, and please would you do me the decency of answering it with a simple yes or no? Then by all means ask me my question you like. But I'd really appreciate it if you didn't just duck my question by asking a question in return. Are you up for it? I hope so, because anyone so sure about which way to vote should surely have the confidence in their decision, to be able to answer a simple question.

Ok, here goes:

Question: if we leave the EU, stop paying the £350m per week, stop allowing EU citizens automatic right of entry to the UK and stop adhering to EU laws, do you think the EU will allow us unrestricted access to their markets without fees or tariffs? Yes, or no?

Bear in mind that if yes, they agree to give us more favourable terms than any other country in the EU, or the world. Yes, or no.

 

[YPhrunts]

Let me ask you this simple question, and please would you do me the decency of answering it with a simple yes or no? Then by all means ask me my question you like. But I'd really appreciate it if you didn't just duck my question by asking a question in return. Are you up for it? I hope so, because anyone so sure about which way to vote should surely have the confidence in their decision, to be able to answer a simple question.

Ok, here goes:

Question: if we leave the EU, stop paying the £350m per week, stop allowing EU citizens automatic right of entry to the UK and stop adhering to EU laws, do you think the EU will allow us unrestricted access to their markets without fees or tariffs? Yes, or no?

Bear in mind that if yes, they agree to give us more favourable terms than any other country in the EU, or the world. Yes, or no.

Unfair question. There are countries all over the world that sell into the EU without hindrance. Why would we be any different?

 

[Chippy_boy]

You do know why Dyson moved his production to Malaysia don't you? At the time North Wiltshire council refused him planning permission to expand his land in Malmesbury and because he could find anything cheaper around that area they moved it to Malaysia. Also most of the 900 production staff were re-employed by Dyson in other parts of the business. Now before you start asking do I work for Dyson no I dont however I work for a company who have close ties with Dyson and i have been to there Plant in Malmesbury a few times and everything apart from production is there. I have been to meetings where James and his son Jake have spoken and i can absolutely assure you they are not motivated by money in any way. Next time I would do a bit of research before you start stating things as fact

I've met he a few times too and he's an arrogant, opinionated and difficult man. And many people lost their jobs there when he stopped production in the UK, irrespective of the reason, which incidentally was costs more than anything else.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Unfair question. There are countries all over the world that sell into the EU without hindrance. Why would we be any different?

Answer the question. And, no, there are not.

 

[smudgedj]

Let me ask you this simple question, and please would you do me the decency of answering it with a simple yes or no? Then by all means ask me my question you like. But I'd really appreciate it if you didn't just duck my question by asking a question in return. Are you up for it? I hope so, because anyone so sure about which way to vote should surely have the confidence in their decision, to be able to answer a simple question.

Ok, here goes:

Question: if we leave the EU, stop paying the £350m per week, stop allowing EU citizens automatic right of entry to the UK and stop adhering to EU laws, do you think the EU will allow us unrestricted access to their markets without fees or tariffs? Yes, or no?

Bear in mind that if yes, they agree to give us more favourable terms than any other country in the EU, or the world. Yes, or no.

You can´t get an answer to that as, as I´m sure you´ll agree, that the Eu is an undemocratic organisation, so who knows what they will do.

 

[SWP's back]

Let me ask you this simple question, and please would you do me the decency of answering it with a simple yes or no? Then by all means ask me my question you like. But I'd really appreciate it if you didn't just duck my question by asking a question in return. Are you up for it? I hope so, because anyone so sure about which way to vote should surely have the confidence in their decision, to be able to answer a simple question.

Ok, here goes:

Question: if we leave the EU, stop paying the £350m per week, stop allowing EU citizens automatic right of entry to the UK and stop adhering to EU laws, do you think the EU will allow us unrestricted access to their markets without fees or tariffs? Yes, or no?

Bear in mind that if yes, they agree to give us more favourable terms than any other country in the EU, or the world. Yes, or no.

No. But a 2% tariff and 10% devaluation of the pound sees the UK fine.

 

[cibaman]

I'm really not.
I have never said that they ought to be able to provide policies or manifestos, but that they should be able to assess what might happen. They're very different to my eyes.

As for Remain doing that, then they shouldn't either, much for the reasons you give.

As a different example, the Scottish referendum had the expected economy based on oil revenue. Fair at the time, but 12 months later, unthinkable. That level of assessment should be possible.

The important thing is that you have confidence that the government that is in power and dealing with the aftermath of a Brexit vote is sufficiently competent to deal with the many variables that will arise. And that you believe that they will take the country in your preferred direction, domestically as well as in respect of the relationship they forge with the EU.

A competent government can be expected to make a success of Brexit. An incompetent government will be disastrous.

 

[Chippy_boy]

You can´t get an answer to that as, as I´m sure you´ll agree, that the Eu is an undemocratic organisation, so who knows what they will do.

Rubbish. You know full well the answer is no. Either that or you are stupid, or dishonest.

 

[smudgedj]

Rubbish. You know full well the answer is no. Either that or you are stupid, or dishonest.

Straight in with the abuse because you don´t like the answer. Sorry petal.