When I catch a bus I look at the front to see where it's going before I get on. Where is the European bus going? On the front it has Political and Fiscal Union. I now realise I am on the wrong bus, it's time to get off.
Don't think they are remotely determined but they do want to dangle the carrot to try and bring turkey back from the brinkonly underlines how determined the EU, including the UK government. are to get Turkey in - it is only a matter of time
If you follow his probable line of thinking he is dead right. It goes like this:- If we leave the EU other states will want their own referendums and they will probably vote leave as well. It will snowball into a collapse of the Union. Then what happens? What happens is that the migrants keep on heading for Mother Merkel's Germany and Germany will be left alone on the Continent to take the lot. At what point does Germany have a civil revolution and take up arms to stop the invasion to their country? Particularly when half of Turkey along with all the other chancers are trying to help themselves to what Germany has earned for itself.
So yes, the 'destruction of Western (German) civilised society' is entirely possible and probably likely within the next decade. Germany at war with itself.
I and nobody else in this country has the choice of the right stop at the right time. This is our only stop and only chance to get off. So we must take it.When I get off a bus I plan before hand where I am getting off and why and get off at the right stop at the right time.
Sounds like you would jump from a moving bus and get hit and killed by a Renault Megane the decision might have been right but to do it in an unplanned way without thinking of timing and consequences was a mistake
Don't think they are remotely determined but they do want to dangle the carrot to try and bring turkey back from the brink
When I get off a bus I plan before hand where I am getting off and why and get off at the right stop at the right time.
Sounds like you would jump from a moving bus and get hit and killed by a Renault Megane the decision might have been right but to do it in an unplanned way without thinking of timing and consequences was a mistake
I think that Titanic analogies work well when considering the EU
It has already hit the iceberg (irreparably damaged) and will go down at some future point with massive loss
I would rather be listening to the band playing as a spectator from the safety of our UK lifeboat than be being pressganged into putting all resources into bailing out or shoring up a doomed cause
Has anyone posted this video of Boris Johnson campaigning for Turkey to join the EU yet?
Appreciate that and it is a fair response , but the bus is moving and getting off is not without riskI and nobody else in this country has the choice of the right stop at the right time. This is our only stop and only chance to get off. So we must take it.
That is true Europe goes down and 50% of our economy goes down with it. Better to be 50% screwed than 100% screwed is as good as we can pretend it getsUnfortunately your UK lifeboat is too close to the stricken liner, the bloke who's taken charge hasn't a clue where the coast is, there's only a few of you in it to row, and it will not make it to safe waters before it is sucked down with the Titanic.
Whether we stay in or out of the EU none of us will benefit from chaos across Europe.
The swiss do for a start
You should vote Remain then
Don't mind those of us that view the words and actions of EU and UK leaders when they have said that they are determined to bring Turkey in to more likely reflect their true intentions
To date they have proved able to prevent expansion being slowed down by 'difficult issues' such as being fully compliant with entry criteria
Dangle a carrot? bring turkey back from the brink?
Has Turkey shown any sign of fundamental changes? why would they feel the need when the EU and UK leaders keep prostituting themselves in their desperation to get Turkey in. It has only been the 'inconvenience' of the UK referendum that has changed the straplines in recent weeks - and then only temporarily in my view
It's what brexiters are doing an unplanned , non strategic, gut decision and to hell with the consequences , also amazed how many older people with pensions locked in and no mortgages are so happy to gamble with their kids and grandkids future . Yet will expect those kids and grandkids to keep the Ponzi scheme going and keep their pensions and healthcare goingWhen you read that back I think that you will find it comes across a bit muddled and desperate
I think you are talking about Boris there. Have ou watched his video lol!
Massive assumption there mate, the negotiations haven't started yet!And the argument against uncontrolled immigration from the exit people is what?
Cannot trade with EU without allowing freedom of movement.
Can someone in simple terms explain to me why we would rather stay in a Political union whose economic growth is falling rather than freely trade with the commonwealth (2 billion people) or NAFTA.
Mind you even if the economic arguments are in favour of remain I would still vote out personally. The remain camp don't have an argument against uncontrolled immigration ( Lord Rose admitted that free movement of people reduced the wages of the lowest paid) which is only gonna get worst when Turkey joins and the corruption in the EU makes the 2009 expenses scandal look like childs play.
What puzzles me from the remain camp, is why they frantically disassociate themselves from the possibility of Turkey joining.Does anyone think like me, that a significant number of people (not everyone but a significant number) believe that when Turkey get visa free access they will, in effect, be "IN" the EU. Whether or not they're part of the political union and sat at all the decision making tables and forums is irrelevant to most, the fact their citizens can travel visa free means to the average man in the street they're in!
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...t-Turkey-visa-free-travel-ambassador-migrants
To answer your last question... People can see we dot gave infrastructure to support 300,000 more peopl. It's that simple. We do nit have the capacity in our schools, we do not have enough GPs, our hospitals are overcrowded and creaking. That is why it's a problem to the UK. I'm not suggesting other countries don't have the same problems, but to the UK population the above is why the free movement of people is a problem to the Uk! And they're right to view it that way too!Simply because the British economy is well matched to the economies of the other EU coutries. People in the EU have the wealth are prepared to pay the prices for goods that ensure the UK standard of living.
Put some meat on the bones of your argument.
What do you want to sell to the commonwealth? What do you think the UK produces that they want and can afford? India has a new smartphone on the market. It costs $5 (US). Can the UK produce smartphones for $5 without falling to the living standards of much of India? How?
What will you sell to the NAFTA region?
The UK will be at a disadvantage with respect to EU countries in Canada because they have a comprehensive trade agreement.
What will you sell to the US? The Americans like to buy American. What approvals will you need to sell things in the US? How much does it cost to get a product approved?
What will you be selling to Mexico?
Why is the free movement of people only a problem in the UK, when the UK economy is in the middle of the pack in the EU?
So you'd rather back Cameron & Blair
Listen...you're the one that started throwing names into the hat...there are tools on both sides of the argument...but unlike the remain...the leave campaign hasn't been about personal smears ala Johnson & Farage...everyone knows they are tools...we are not voting to leave because of personalities that agree with our sentiment...we are backing leave for our own reasons...alot of which has very little to do with Xenophobia...racism or any other right wing rhetoric
The EU is a capitalist private boys club who favour the employer over the employee every time...I want no part of it