So you're saying that good service or bad, this has nothing to do with the EU? Well then what a stupid thing it was for the out campaign to dedicate half of its propaganda video to.
Thanks for backing up my point pal.
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Thanks for backing up my point pal.
BigJoe#1
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I think this quote says nothing whilst telling everything!!this will see some serious head wobbling on here. Suspiciously perfect timing as well
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36526158
The European Court of Justice said it was lawful for the UK to withhold family benefits to EU migrants who were not working if they did not have the right to reside in the UK.
Basically the UK can withhold payments to EU migrants IF they did not have the right to reside in the UK... It's a bit of an oxymoron is it not? Please remind me how the freedom of movement deal works.... This is going to be another Cameron fuck up!
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BigJoe#1
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I never saw the broadcast though I suggest the Leavers are saying some of the money that currently goes to the EU will be freed up for the NHS!So you're saying that good service or bad, this has nothing to do with the EU? Well then what a stupid thing it was for the out campaign to dedicate half of its propaganda video to.
Thanks for backing up my point pal.
ccr
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Being slightly left wing of the middle ground of right wing socialism, does leaving mean we can go back to feet and inches ?
kas_tippler
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Being slightly left wing of the middle ground of right wing socialism, does leaving mean we can go back to feet and inches ?
Odd how metric is taught in schools but road distances are measured in imperial.
yerwot?
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perfect outcome for the far right such as IDS is obviously an out vote, then a deal with the EU which allows us to carry on trading (which means free movement of labour) but allows the govt to rip up all the laws protecting workers rights, justice, air pollution etc
This would ensure an over-supply of job applicants (part of tory party DNA), as a bonus the inevitable market turmoil will push up interest rates (which always benefits the rich, as net lenders and punishes people with mortgages/loans etc, the poorer off as usual, hit the hardest.
To discourage other members from jumping ship and to gain popularity the EU could play hard-ball, which could be interesting as we are far from self-sufficient regarding food and energy. As the world centre for money-laundering london could be ok, unless the big financial businesses come under pressure to relocate to europe.
As the clock ticks down to decision time, the outers keep immigration immigration as their battlecry. I have a growing conviction that it is a smokescreen, that hides their true intent, which is to drag the country back to the dark ages.
This would ensure an over-supply of job applicants (part of tory party DNA), as a bonus the inevitable market turmoil will push up interest rates (which always benefits the rich, as net lenders and punishes people with mortgages/loans etc, the poorer off as usual, hit the hardest.
To discourage other members from jumping ship and to gain popularity the EU could play hard-ball, which could be interesting as we are far from self-sufficient regarding food and energy. As the world centre for money-laundering london could be ok, unless the big financial businesses come under pressure to relocate to europe.
As the clock ticks down to decision time, the outers keep immigration immigration as their battlecry. I have a growing conviction that it is a smokescreen, that hides their true intent, which is to drag the country back to the dark ages.
Well asides from the fact that that argument has been discredited countless times by those such as the head of the NHS itself, the fact remains that other European countries' health services are working proof that the quality of health service can be dramatically better than ours even if it is within the dastardly EU.I never saw the broadcast though I suggest the Leavers are saying some of the money that currently goes to the EU will be freed up for the NHS!
I think this quote says nothing whilst telling everything!!
The European Court of Justice said it was lawful for the UK to withhold family benefits to EU migrants who were not working if they did not have the right to reside in the UK.
Basically the UK can withhold payments to EU migrants IF they did not have the right to reside in the UK... It's a bit of an oxymoron is it not? Please remind me how the freedom of movement deal works.... This is going to be another Cameron fuck up!
My thoughts exactly. We will now kick the ball into the long grass and argue endlessly on who has the right to reside in the UK. The ECJ are crafty snide f*ckers. And we give them power over our parliament?
BigJoe#1
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I don't know enough about how other health services work, suffice to say they are private insurance schemes?Well asides from the fact that that argument has been discredited countless times by those such as the head of the NHS itself, the fact remains that other European countries' health services are working proof that the quality of health service can be dramatically better than ours even if it is within the dastardly EU.
I'm not certain the head of the NHS itself (to quote you) will be in a position to determine where the weekly £173m, which excludes the annual £4,500,000,000 that is inwardly invested (money we've already given to the EU BTW) into the UK, will be spent.
The way I see that is, why should one countries referendum sway the eu? In other words why should country X get to force something on the other 27? There are votes in the EU for a reason.
Well that is the way you see it - so that will be a remain vote. Seems a bit naïve to my mind and seems to suggest that we only ever get the 'rosy end of the stick' rather than the shitty one. I have the opposite view so will exercise my vote differently.
Well living in France as a fellow EU citizen I was just given a Vitale card meaning that access to the health service was free (as well as exemplary). No private insurance muck or whatever you think it is. I imagine it varies from country to country but throughout Europe the health service is predominantly state-funded, it's not like American private insurance schemes at all.I don't know enough about how other health services work, suffice to say they are private insurance schemes?
I'm not certain the head of the NHS itself (to quote you) will be in a position to determine where the weekly £173m, which excludes the annual £4,500,000,000 that is inwardly invested (money we've already given to the EU BTW) into the UK, will be spent.
On your other point can you explain a little more why you are contesting the head of the NHS's viewpoint that staying in Europe is the better option for it? I know I probably sound sarcastic but I would genuinely love to know what he's missing.
BigJoe#1
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Cheers mate. I readily acknowledge I don't understand the funding arrangements of foreign health services, I can only draw on personal experiences whereby everyone I know who has gone abroad and have needed medical attention, they've all had to pay for it, unlike EU citizens when they come to Britain, but I genuinely take on board your more informed knowledge.Well living in France as a fellow EU citizen I was just given a Vitale card meaning that access to the health service was free (as well as exemplary). No private insurance muck or whatever you think it is. I imagine it varies from country to country but throughout Europe the health service is predominantly state-funded, it's not like American private insurance schemes at all.
On your other point can you explain a little more why you are contesting the head of the NHS's viewpoint that staying in Europe is the better option for it? I know I probably sound sarcastic but I would genuinely love to know what he's missing.
Regarding the head of the NHS. The point I was trying to make, albeit badly, was that the head of the NHS, whilst he may pitch for additional money from the £173m surplus we will have, I doubt very much whether he'll be the person making the decisions. It will more than likely be Gideon in the present circumstances. Sorry if I misread what you were saying.
bluethrunthru
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Cheers mate. I readily acknowledge I don't understand the funding arrangements of foreign health services, I can only draw on personal experiences whereby everyone I know who has gone abroad and have needed medical attention, they've all had to pay for it, unlike EU citizens when they come to Britain, but I genuinely take on board your more informed knowledge.
Regarding the head of the NHS. The point I was trying to make, albeit badly, was that the head of the NHS, whilst he may pitch for additional money from the £173m surplus we will have, I doubt very much whether he'll be the person making the decisions. It will more than likely be Gideon in the present circumstances. Sorry if I misread what you were saying.
Really? If I were Gideon or Dave I'd quit if I lost. No political credibility if they lose and they have no plans to what comes next - I'd hand it to Johnson and Gove and tell them and Farage its up to them - they got us out of it now produce and implement your strategic plan for the UK outside the EU.
BigJoe#1
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I agree it probably won't be Gideon and Dave, they're dead men walking. Maybe I should've said whoever is the Chancellor and PM at the time.Really? If I were Gideon or Dave I'd quit if I lost. No political credibility if they lose and they have no plans to what comes next - I'd hand it to Johnson and Gove and tell them and Farage its up to them - they got us out of it now produce and implement your strategic plan for the UK outside the EU.
smudgedj
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Whats the difference with that card and the E111?Well living in France as a fellow EU citizen I was just given a Vitale card meaning that access to the health service was free (as well as exemplary). No private insurance muck or whatever you think it is. I imagine it varies from country to country but throughout Europe the health service is predominantly state-funded, it's not like American private insurance schemes at all.
On your other point can you explain a little more why you are contesting the head of the NHS's viewpoint that staying in Europe is the better option for it? I know I probably sound sarcastic but I would genuinely love to know what he's missing.
How do you deal with dépassements? Where you may be able to get reimbursement from your voluntary insurer. If not, the costs fall to you.
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Labour Leaders: 'We should vote Remain but we need to control immigration ...which we can only do if we vote Leave'
BigJoe#1
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I've said before... If the Remain camp could only say vote Remain and we'll sort out the migration problem.... and this is how we'd do it. They would piss this referendum and win hands down!Labour Leaders: 'We should vote Remain but we need to control immigration ...which we can only do if we vote Leave'
There's only some depassements, for things like pharmaceuticals, same as here. An E111 is only for temporary stayers.Whats the difference with that card and the E111?
How do you deal with dépassements? Where you may be able to get reimbursement from your voluntary insurer. If not, the costs fall to you.
When of course Johnson then decides that he wants to stay in the EU after all now that he has finally gotten into number ten with the chance to reform the EU so much better than Cameron did etc etcReally? If I were Gideon or Dave I'd quit if I lost. No political credibility if they lose and they have no plans to what comes next - I'd hand it to Johnson and Gove and tell them and Farage its up to them - they got us out of it now produce and implement your strategic plan for the UK outside the EU.
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