EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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TRUE BLUE NO1 said:
We having this debate because Cameron wanted to make sure he won the election and tangled this carrot!;)...dont think be banked on the fall out it was going to cause!

Vote for change? Grass isnt always greener and many that vote out (not pointing this at anymore on here!) dont actually know what that change will bring to them or the country...they just dont want the EU to have a say on that change!

I personally think we have a strong economy today because of our connection with the EU, because of the trade deals we have etc,etc...I believe there is more positive than negative from being a EU member...yes, maybe we could have still been strong outside the EU today, on our own but thats a maybe that many dont want/cant afford to risk. Without this referendum, I believe most average working class people on the street, for most of the time, havent even given the EU a second thought in their day to day lives and......

This is where the leave campaign have done such a good job.....they not selling something you can see or smell or hear....they selling a hope, hope/dream that things "might" be better out than in.....I personally like the fact we are the 5th biggest economy today, while being in the EU and personally dont have an issue with the fact that after 30+ years of "freedom of movement" only 5% of the country is from the EU and I personally like the fact that millions of Brits have the freedom to live/work across europe today....For me(just a personal opinion) most of our problems we have(not all) are caused by this government and problems "we've" caused to our own country....so I'll be wanting change but I'll be voting for that change to take place at General election time...I just feel we need to stop blaming the EU for all our problems, otherwise we'll be voting out and be disappointed to find that many of problems we hoped would change for the better, are still there.......for example: immigration....nearly half of all our immigration are non EU....that has nothing to do with "freedom of movement"....for years the Government has offered jobs to overseas(non EU) people when they should be training and investing in the people here in the UK.....this is just one of many problems I have with this Government and Governments before it and it has nothing to do with the EU...

I understand that some have been hit harder than others by immigration or by EU red tape and if that has impacted that individual on a personal level, I completely understand that person voting out.....but voting for "pride in our country" or a "hope/dream" the world will be a better place if we out...doesnt make sense to me...I hear comments like we should "grow some balls" and "take charge"....sadly the economy doesnt run "on balls".....and I disagree, we cant keep our identity while being apart of the EU....you only needed to see the Queens Birthday celebrations (just an example) to see what it means to be British....being part of the EU hasnt taken anything away from what we stand for..

If someone feels their life is so bad while we've been in the EU, then I agree...you vote out but voting out for "change" sake....doesnt seem right! We all have different reasons for voting in/out and every vote is as important as the next.... but I just believe you need to vote for more than just "take control of your own problems"..I personally prefer to share mine!;) The UK government is not going to help you, if your boss has to close his/her business because they lose most of their EU customers, or when your house value drops 10-15% or when that family holiday is more expensive that you cant take the kids away.....none of these things might happened but they could, so vote out if you happy to risk it.....even today on the news, queues of people trying to buy their currency because they worried if we vote leave the pound isnt going to be worth as much and their holidays are going to cost more....I also heard today from someone that works for Lloyds, that there is rumours they are willing to move some of their offices out of the UK if we vote leave?? Again, might not happen but all these are very real issues that will affect the average working person on a day to day level, alot more than any EU regulation.....cheers and sorry for the long post!;)
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I read as far as you having the opinion that "we have a strong economy today" and realised there's no point in reading any further so I honestly dont know if you went on to say you're in favour of leave or remain.

Regardless of the whole EU debate anyone who believes and regurgitates the government propaganda that "we have a strong economy" clearly has a very poor grasp of the reality of the situation.
 
InMyLifetime-BaconChops said:
True. But when it gets to a stage when comparing 1st world developed economies, and saying they're marginally better than developing economies in South America, it's clear it's not flourishing.
Not sure how raising fees from £3000 to £9000 could cause that much of an artificial rise!
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Good points about the economy and student loans.

We have lacked sustained investment in manufacturing over the decades that hinders us a bit whether we are in or out side the EU.

Since the increase in student admission fees I think the numbers going to Uni have plateaud and we need to see a growth in apprenticeships.
 
halfcenturyup said:
No, that can't ge right. Our very own Neville Chamberlain has a piece of paper from a EU Commissioner saying that the NHS won't be affected.
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You mean the letter I posted on this forum lol!

Have a look at the last Health Act and you will see the Government has already opened the door to widespread privatisation. We need a change to UK legislation regardless of your conspiracy theories!

Who will you have to blame tomorrow if we vote out lol!
 
Ask the Greek people whether they think the EU is democratic? They voted for an anti-austerity party and guess what they are now implementing- austerity. EU democracy in action.

You are naive to think this situation can't or won't arise in Britain on other matters of national importance whether that be unfettered immigration, a European army or some other as yet unforeseen development.

Jean Claude Juncker has basically told us as much last night. We've got the maximum we are ever going to get.

Our grandfather's and their fathers before them fought and gave their lives for peace and to preserve a de,ocratic Britain free from German control. Peace has been secured (but largely thanks to NATO) but today we see what democracy means to the EU and that is being told we have the 'best we will ever get'. They don't give a damn what the British people want, it's dictatorship by stealth, and we are sleepwalking into it through fear from all the vested interests. See TTIP above.

The sheer arrogance of these unelected bureaucrats is breathtaking, and the fact he had the sheer arrogance to announce this on the eve of the vote. They believe they have this in the bag and the British people could be giving them the mandate.

If you care about this country, care about democracy you have to vote leave today.
 
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Tim of the Oak said:
You mean the letter I posted on this forum lol!

Have a look at the last Health Act and you will see the Government has already opened the door to widespread privatisation. We need a change to UK legislation regardless of your conspiracy theories!

Who will you have to blame tomorrow if we vote out lol!
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That would be the people we can vote out.
 
Pam said:
Great post. I'm afraid it's lost on them, though. The Brexits have tuned everything out. They are determiined to make their Lickle England even mote lickle. They think it's a referendum about immigration. They're being exploited by the likes of Gove and Johnson and it's a deeply unattractive spectacle. The word Lemmings comes to mind.

Go out tiomorrow and vote for recession.
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You are a complete hypocrite. You reported a comment which you didn't like (and we took action on) yet you continue to throw slurs at people like me and others on here effectively telling us we're racists. I've challenged you to show me a post I've made on this subject where I've made immigration one of my key reasons for voting out but you've just gone on with your hysterical spouting of the same old rubbish.

I'm very tempted to risk Ric's wrath and show some of the Islamophobic posts from you that have been pulled or deleted, yet you have the nerve to criticise Farage and others for being bigots.
 
EalingBlue2 said:
The academy heads will be and the premier league will be that's for sure. Our academy Losing the ability to bring in 16-18 year olds will be brutal for our ability to grow the way we plan. I don't think we will get hurt by first team free movement of labour but the Fifa exemption within the EU will be pretty tough - no more Brahmin. Diaz
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Haha. You got blitzed on every other issue by those wishing to leave the EU, so now you make a last ditch plea from a footballing angle. Your desperation knows no bounds.
 
halfcenturyup said:
That would be the people we can vote out.
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Not the guys in the House of Lords! Nor did we vote for Andrew Lansley's top down NHS restructuring that cost £4billion alone!

There is a far bigger threat closer to home than TTIP. A lot of services would have been privatised by the time you could vote for anybody. A lot of the Tories are on the payroll of Private Health Companies.

At least Dave has limited the pace of privatisation with notable exceptions (Virgin Care). Bojo, Gove and Farage don't need TTIP to privatise the NHS.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
Not the guys in the House of Lords! Nor did we vote for Andrew Lansley's top down NHS restructuring that cost £4billion alone!

There is a far bigger threat closer to home than TTIP. A lot of services would have been privatised by the time you could vote for anybody. A lot of the Tories are on the payroll of Private Health Companies.

At least Dave has limited the pace of privatisation with notable exceptions (Virgin Care). Bojo, Gove and Farage don't need TTIP to privatise the NHS.
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And the job of a credible opposition would be to campaign to have that government removed. You cant blame democracy for the state of the Labour party. And you can't blame the Conservatives if not enough people care enough to vote against them.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
You are a complete hypocrite. You reported a comment which you didn't like (and we took action on) yet you continue to throw slurs at people like me and others on here effectively telling us we're racists. I've challenged you to show me a post I've made on this subject where I've made immigration one of my key reasons for voting out but you've just gone on with your hysterical spouting of the same old rubbish.

I'm very tempted to risk Ric's wrath and show some of the Islamophobic posts from you that have been pulled or deleted, yet you have the nerve to criticise Farage and others for being bigots.
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The debate on here has been far better natured than the national referendum debate (by and large). Let's keep it clean for the big day.

In or Out life goes on!
 
halfcenturyup said:
And the job of a credible opposition would be to campaign to have that government removed. You cant blame democracy for the state of the Labour party. And you can't blame the Conservatives if not enough people care enough to vote against them.
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A lot of this stuff is done by smoke and mirrors mate. The Tories don't advertise that they are on the payroll of Private Health Companies and we have to get the Information from the Register of Interests.

I agree with you that Labour have been feeble in recent years!
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
The Sun has declared for Leave and The Times for Remain so whichever way you vote, you're voting with the likes of Murdoch.
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A curious one, obviously Murdoch had campaigned for many years for smaller governments where he can wield his control over the people unfettered, guess he hates being seen to lose even more, or somebody has more power to threaten him afterwards than we thought

One thing is for sure you vote remain you are voting with one Australian, but it isn't Murdoch
 
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