European elections results

[Saddleworth2]

Oh, we're back to this argument; we don't know so we can't rule it out indefinitely.
A bit like the European Defence Force or the UK joining the Euro?

You have a very dim view of the character of this nation and it's people, especially when you realise that in 200 years, the UK has not been the aggressor or instigator of conflict in Europe, but European nations have. Why would the EU wish to go to war with the UK? Why would the UK wish to go to war with Europe? There isn't a reason so it's a moot argument.

You don't think the UK has acted as an aggressor in the last 200 years? Given its imperialist past do you think thats correct?
Anyway, we are getting off the point I was trying to make (obviously poorly). Europe has had a history of peace since ww2. The EU has made a significant contribution to that. If we exit the EU, I do not trust our politicians (based on the behaviours seen over the last few years) to do the right thing either for our own populace or our European neighbours. There will be plenty of areas for potential conflict, Ireland and our fishery policies being two.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Apologies if that wasn’t you.

As for your second point, eh?

It’s as good as your line that only people who voted lib dem want to remain

Revisit the above statement, you don't appear to realise what you've said.
Firstly, it implies, like the other idiotic statement I referred to, that people who voted for Brexit may have
wanted to remain, my response was that it isn't irrevocably false, as one or two may have tripped over a chalk
line in the polling booth, and accidentally scrawled an X next to the LibDems.
It also suggests that those who voted LibDems, the only party screaming from the rooftops about scrapping Brexit,
have done otherwise. This, I admit, is a tad more difficult to prove, as there are Libs who have voted for them many times,
but if they did vote for LibDem, but are desperate to leave, we can safely say that they must be in the final stages of dementia.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Revisit the above statement, you don't appear to realise what you've said.
Firstly, it implies, like the other idiotic statement I referred to, that people who voted for Brexit may have
wanted to remain, my response was that it isn't irrevocably false, as one or two may have tripped over a chalk
line in the polling booth, and accidentally scrawled an X next to the LibDems.
It also suggests that those who voted LibDems, the only party screaming from the rooftops about scrapping Brexit,
have done otherwise. This, I admit, is a tad more difficult to prove, as there are Libs who have voted for them many times,
but if they did vote for LibDem, but are desperate to leave, we can safely say that they must be in the final stages of dementia.

Not sure what point you are making any more. The politics of remain goes way beyond the Lib Dems. I didn't vote Lib Dem.

 

[blueparrot]

Not sure what point you are making any more. The politics of remain goes way beyond the Lib Dems. I didn't vote Lib Dem.

I think in the imaginary referendum leave won with about 70%.as all the Labour and Conservative voters have been allocated to leave. Congratulations to leave. I've given up arguing, let them have their little victory party. In the real world it make no difference to Westminster and it's Brexit gridlock. Also make no difference to how people will vote in the event of a second referendum.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Not sure what point you are making any more. The politics of remain goes way beyond the Lib Dems. I didn't vote Lib Dem.

Well, it doesn't seem to be as strong as the politics of leave, as voters for Brexit have just voted for a party
that's been in existence for 6 whole weeks, ditched previous allegiances, in their millions, and voted for the only
party that will guarantee what they want. If you didn't do the same for the party that will guarantee that you stay in,
then, the presumption must be you're not bothered either way.
Still, whichever way you voted is now irrelevant, as whoever it was came nowhere near.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I think in the imaginary referendum leave won with about 70%.as all the Labour and Conservative voters have been allocated to leave. Congratulations to leave. I've given up arguing, let them have their little victory party. In the real world it make no difference to Westminster and it's Brexit gridlock. Also make no difference to how people will vote in the event of a second referendum.

I can see why you've given up arguing.

 

[mcfc1632]

We have no interest in going to war with any European neighbour that I can think of.

NATO brought peace to a Europe that continued to fight wars with one another until an outside force showed them it wasn't in their best interests to fight each other anymore.

You can explain historical facts - it does not mean people will absorb them (no matter how often explained over years) ;-)

 

[mcfc1632]

Oh, we're back to this argument; we don't know so we can't rule it out indefinitely.
A bit like the European Defence Force or the UK joining the Euro?

You have a very dim view of the character of this nation and it's people, especially when you realise that in 200 years, the UK has not been the aggressor or instigator of conflict in Europe, but European nations have. Why would the EU wish to go to war with the UK? Why would the UK wish to go to war with Europe? There isn't a reason so it's a moot argument.

I am more worried about why the EU want an army other its control - that this was discounted as fiction in 2016 led to a proper 'Bobby Ewing' level of backtracking and make-believe after the referendum and the truth came out

 

[Metal Biker]

You don't think the UK has acted as an aggressor in the last 200 years? Given its imperialist past do you think thats correct?
Anyway, we are getting off the point I was trying to make (obviously poorly). Europe has had a history of peace since ww2. The EU has made a significant contribution to that. If we exit the EU, I do not trust our politicians (based on the behaviours seen over the last few years) to do the right thing either for our own populace or our European neighbours. There will be plenty of areas for potential conflict, Ireland and our fishery policies being two.

DId Britain start the Napoleonic wars in it's conquest of Europe? No. Did Britain start the World Wars in it's conquest of Europe? No.

Britain stays in the EU = Peace, Britain leaves the EU = War. That's what you're trying to say? It's an absolutely ridiculous claim to make. You don't trust our politicians not to make war but you happen to trust them over their views on remaining in the EU. Honk Honk.

 

[joe123]

Revisit the above statement, you don't appear to realise what you've said.
Firstly, it implies, like the other idiotic statement I referred to, that people who voted for Brexit may have
wanted to remain, my response was that it isn't irrevocably false, as one or two may have tripped over a chalk
line in the polling booth, and accidentally scrawled an X next to the LibDems.
It also suggests that those who voted LibDems, the only party screaming from the rooftops about scrapping Brexit,
have done otherwise. This, I admit, is a tad more difficult to prove, as there are Libs who have voted for them many times,
but if they did vote for LibDem, but are desperate to leave, we can safely say that they must be in the final stages of dementia.

you've lost me.