European elections results

[Saddleworth2]

DId Britain start the Napoleonic wars in it's conquest of Europe? No. Did Britain start the World Wars in it's conquest of Europe? No.

Britain stays in the EU = Peace, Britain leaves the EU = War. That's what you're trying to say? It's an absolutely ridiculous claim to make. You don't trust our politicians not to make war but you happen to trust them over their views on remaining in the EU. Honk Honk.

No I don't trust them full stop. Where on earth did I say otherwise? As usual with you MB impossible to have any discussion that doesn't degenerate like this one. You would have thought I would have learned by now. If you think the UK doesn't have a propensity for armed conflict go google. But of course we are the good guys, the literally hundreds of conflicts we have been involved in are always someone else's fault and that will never ever happen in future.
Bye.

 

[Metal Biker]

No I don't trust them full stop. Where on earth did I say otherwise? As usual with you MB impossible to have any discussion that doesn't degenerate like this one. You would have thought I would have learned by now. If you think the UK doesn't have a propensity for armed conflict go google. But of course we are the good guys, the literally hundreds of conflicts we have been involved in are always someone else's fault and that will never ever happen in future.
Bye.

I love it. I call you out on your bullshit, make you realise the point you're making is nonsensical, and rather than admit to it you go "It's impossible debating with you, goodbye!"

This countries populous marched against the Afghan and Iraq War and in recent years, opposed UK intervention in Syria and Libya. This country is not as bloodlusty as it's Victorian Era counterparts and those politicians that supported such actions suffered for it at the polls. Those same politicians today who support being in the EU, will still be in charge of the country once we leave, but you now expect them to go "Welp, time to bomb Ireland and Norway over some fish!"

I'm simply pointing out that stating that Europe will descend into war if the UK leaves the EU is an insulting and ridiculous claim to make but you want to hold on to it like a gospel truth, and rather than say "ok, fair enough, you don't think that" and accept that I don't accept such a claim, you're arguing that you're absolutely right and I should conform to that way of thinking. It's nonsense!

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Well, it doesn't seem to be as strong as the politics of leave, as voters for Brexit have just voted for a party
that's been in existence for 6 whole weeks, ditched previous allegiances, in their millions, and voted for the only
party that will guarantee what they want. If you didn't do the same for the party that will guarantee that you stay in,
then, the presumption must be you're not bothered either way.
Still, whichever way you voted is now irrelevant, as whoever it was came nowhere near.

So if its only one option is a valid indicator for each side that puts clear brexit support at sub 35%. Not a great victory is it.

 

[Metal Biker]

So if its only one option is a valid indicator for each side that puts clear brexit support at sub 35%. Not a great victory is it.

The same can be said for a clear remain advocacy, doesn't it.

The main thing anyone can take away from these elections is that brexit is being determined by the extreme minority opinion. The majority, the actual majority, of people in this nation cannot be arsed either way. We stay in, we don't, we get a deal, we don't. They don't consider brexit to be the most important matter as only around 6-7m on either side of the debate, actually bothered to come out in support of their stance. That leaves a whopping 32m-ish voters who simply couldn't be arsed either way, so whatever happens, whether we stay in or whether we leave, it will have been determined by one third of the populous.

Brexit is not the most popular opinion. Remaining is not the most popular opinion. THE most popular opinion is apathy.

 

[joe123]

The same can be said for a clear remain advocacy, doesn't it.

The main thing anyone can take away from these elections is that brexit is being determined by the extreme minority opinion. The majority, the actual majority, of people in this nation cannot be arsed either way. We stay in, we don't, we get a deal, we don't. They don't consider brexit to be the most important matter as only around 6-7m on either side of the debate, actually bothered to come out in support of their stance. That leaves a whopping 32m-ish voters who simply couldn't be arsed either way, so whatever happens, whether we stay in or whether we leave, it will have been determined by one third of the populous.

Brexit is not the most popular opinion. Remaining is not the most popular opinion. THE most popular opinion is apathy.

Very true. As there is a group of us on here who regularly discuss it in our bubble, tend to forget that the last 3 years have probably just ground down the average person to not giving a shit.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

I'm not convinced the Euro elections have told us anything other than that the majority don't think Euro elections matter much. Voting has always been low in these elections.

 

[Metal Biker]

Very true. As there is a group of us on here who regularly discuss it in our bubble, tend to forget that the last 3 years have probably just ground down the average person to not giving a shit.

I'm fast approaching the "not give a shit" status, but I won't tolerate Parliament "deciding" for us not to go through with it. In my view, if there are to be any more referendums put to the public, it should be 2nd ref; to decide what kind of leave the public will tolerate. 3rd referendum put that decision up against remaining in the EU.

 

[mcfc1632]

I love it. I call you out on your bullshit, make you realise the point you're making is nonsensical, and rather than admit to it you go "It's impossible debating with you, goodbye!"

This countries populous marched against the Afghan and Iraq War and in recent years, opposed UK intervention in Syria and Libya. This country is not as bloodlusty as it's Victorian Era counterparts and those politicians that supported such actions suffered for it at the polls. Those same politicians today who support being in the EU, will still be in charge of the country once we leave, but you now expect them to go "Welp, time to bomb Ireland and Norway over some fish!"

I'm simply pointing out that stating that Europe will descend into war if the UK leaves the EU is an insulting and ridiculous claim to make but you want to hold on to it like a gospel truth, and rather than say "ok, fair enough, you don't think that" and accept that I don't accept such a claim, you're arguing that you're absolutely right and I should conform to that way of thinking. It's nonsense!

That someone/anyone in 2019 is making this case that there is an increased risk of the UK starting a war if we depart from the EU is just, IMO, desperate nonsense

 

[Metal Biker]

That someone/anyone in 2019 is making this case that there is an increased risk of the UK starting a war if we depart from the EU is just, IMO, desperate nonsense

It's so silly and disrespectful to the nature of the people living in the UK that we'd even supprot such an eventuality were it to arise, that it reminds me of the "threat to peace in Europe" style rhetoric we heard back during the referendum where Cameron got called out for it. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36243296

In the EU era, we've seen conflict and genocide in the Balkans, conflict between Ukraine and Russia. The EU has only prevented conflict between EU members (all of whom are members of NATO) not in "Europe" the continent itself. I prefer to ask this question; who prevented war between Europe and the Soviet Union, then you soon see who the biggest peacekeepers in Europe have been. Losing them as a friend? THAT is disastrous.

 

[Ban-jani]

That someone/anyone in 2019 is making this case that there is an increased risk of the UK starting a war if we depart from the EU is just, IMO, desperate nonsense

We won’t be starting a war if we leave - we’ll be too poor to!