Euthanasia, Death and General Anesthetics.

[Marklr]

That first piss after a general anesthetic. Takes about 8 hours. Like trying to drink a smoothie with a regular-sized straw rather than one of those thicker ones.

I couldn't piss and my bladder was bursting! I was only having an op on my broken leg but ended up with a catheter shoved up my todge. Not fun at all.

 

[Marklr]

Just suddenly switching off plays on my mind a bit. Like the poor passengers on the planes that hit the WTC..instant none-existence. It's an uncomfortable feeling I get when thinking about it.
That's life, though...a slight interruption in eternal none-existence.

 

[Two Gun Bob]

And won’t think there’s anything wrong.
Believe me, we are currently going through it with a relative.
One minute you can have a nice lucid chat.
Next she wakes up every morning in a piss soaked bed, doesn’t recognise her own house thinking it’s a hotel, thinks she can hope without daily essential medical help and writes cheques on deposit slips.
It’s a fucking nightmare for everyone.

The mother in laws has been steadily deteriating over the last few months with dementia symptoms. When her daughters visited her at home they could have lucid conversations but have noticed that a lot of her dialogue was directed toward the distant past.

After a few falls and being left on the floor overnight the doctors noticed among other things a reduction in her electrolyte levels and were conducting further observations.

Fast forward to this month were she has been having problems with her perseption with comments making little in the way of sense, coupled with halucigenics episodes of seeing people that have not even visited. Also temporary moments of non regonition of her children by refering to them in the third person narrative as "that other woman"

The reason I pass comment is that because of problems with her ticker last week they took her into hospital for observations and have not allowed her children to visit. They continually say "she's settled today so it's best not to come" or "she's a little irrated and we dont want her to get stressed out"

I was under the impression people suffering from dementia absolutely need interaction with their loved ones to try to maintain levels of memory and recollection. After researching the issue today I read that Johns Campaign was set up to alleviate this so the other half will be speaking to the hospital tommorow to address the families concerns over visitation to maintain an assemblance of bond and contact with their mother in her hour of need.

Gold Standard Framework - John's Campaign - Dementia

www.goldstandardsframework.org.uk

 

[denislawsbackheel]

The mother in laws has been steadily deteriating over the last few months with dementia symptoms. When her daughters visited her at home they could have lucid conversations but have noticed that a lot of her dialogue was directed toward the distant past.

After a few falls and being left on the floor overnight the doctors noticed among other things a reduction in her electrolyte levels and were conducting further observations.

Fast forward to this month were she has been having problems with her perseption with comments making little in the way of sense, coupled with halucigenics episodes of seeing people that have not even visited. Also temporary moments of non regonition of her children by refering to them in the third person narrative as "that other woman"

The reason I pass comment is that because of problems with her ticker last week they took her into hospital for observations and have not allowed her children to visit. They continually say "she's settled today so it's best not to come" or "she's a little irrated and we dont want her to get stressed out"

I was under the impression people suffering from dementia absolutely need interaction with their loved ones to try to maintain levels of memory and recollection. After researching the issue today I read that Johns Campaign was set up to alleviate this so the other half will be speaking to the hospital tommorow to address the families concerns over visitation to maintain an assemblance of bond and contact with their mother in her hour of need.

Gold Standard Framework - John's Campaign - Dementia

www.goldstandardsframework.org.uk

I’m confused.
This campaign seems to be to get the right for ONE named person to be able to visit.
My relative has this in hospital now.
It’s bloody frustrating when they only let the named person visit though.

 

[jacko74]

Something I've never really understood is that apparently they've never been able to find a 100% effective and reliable method of euthanasing humans via an injection yet we seem to be able to euthanase all sorts of animals with a quick, effective and painless injection?

 

[denislawsbackheel]

As no animal has ever been able to describe the process how sure are you it is painless?
Dogs I ‘ve had put down have quite a reaction as the drug hits.

 

[Two Gun Bob]

I’m confused.
This campaign seems to be to get the right for ONE named person to be able to visit.
My relative has this in hospital now.
It’s bloody frustrating when they only let the named person visit though.

It's been mentioned that having someone with you, someone who you love, who you know, whose face you know (be they your carer, your family, your friend, your lover) - helps keep you tied to reality, to life, to sanity.

These are her children who wish to see mother when it matters most. I was under the impression that the campaign was for a myriad of connected people to have visitation rights.

Its said that over 1500 hospitals and homes (and some others, such as ambulance trusts, clinical commissioning participants, domiciliary care companies, hospices and primary care providers) have pledged to support these principles of inclusion. The belief is that people, particularly those with dementia, other mental illnesses, or otherwise in need of care, should not be separated from those important to them by protocols and systems that are harmful and wrong.

So why do certain elements of Fairfield not adhere to these principles and how does it best serve the wellbeing of their mother by keeping them seperated at this difficult time?

 

[denislawsbackheel]

It's been mentioned that having someone with you, someone who you love, who you know, whose face you know (be they your carer, your family, your friend, your lover) - helps keep you tied to reality, to life, to sanity.

These are her children who wish to see mother when it matters most. I was under the impression the campaign was for a myriad of connected people to have visitation rights.

Its said that over 1500 hospitals and homes (and some others, such as ambulance trusts, clinical commissioning participants, domiciliary care companies, hospices and primary care providers) have pledged to support these principles of inclusion. We believe that people, particularly those with dementia, other mental illnesses, or otherwise in need of care, should not be separated from those important to them by protocols and systems that are harmful and wrong.

So why do Fairfield not adhere to these principles?

The last paragraph in your link seems to be demanding the right for ONE person to access the patient, not the family.

“The right of THE willing family carer to continue support and the patient to continue to receive it through a hospital admission needs to be as universally accepted as the right of parents to remain with their children…”

As I said, in my experience the hospital my relative was in would only allow one named visitor to see her. The rest of us were barred.

 

[Two Gun Bob]

The last paragraph in your link seems to be demanding the right for ONE person to access the patient, not the family.

“The right of THE willing family carer to continue support and the patient to continue to receive it through a hospital admission needs to be as universally accepted as the right of parents to remain with their children…”

As I said, in my experience the hospital my relative was in would only allow one named visitor to see her. The rest of us were barred.

I dont think Johns Campaign advocates this. All her children are carers on an equal footing and all should be allowed to visit their mother in her hour of need.

More importantly their mother deserves the right to be visited by her children regardless of the impact this may have on the hospital ward. "She's quite and content at the moment" just does not seem to sit very well.

Visitors can observe and advocate: communicate, remember, explain and reassure. However family carers often have other responsibilities. They have a right but not a duty to continue to care. John's Campaign applies to all hospital settings (acute, community, mental health).

 

[Two Gun Bob]

As no animal has ever been able to describe the process how sure are you it is painless?
Dogs I ‘ve had put down have quite a reaction as the drug hits.

It must be different Denis regarding breed or drugs administered. Our Rottweiler lifted his head abruptly and then his eyes gently rolled back unto obvlivion .. and that was the end and we never saw any indication of suffering or pain from him.

There was a series of programs on the televeision concerning assisted Euthanisia im Switzeralnd and the one that stuck in my mind was a 50 year old college professor called Craig Ewert who suffered from a dreadful malady and decided to make the journey abroad to allieviate his and his families suffering.

I have attached it on here but only as a spoiler as our code of conduct makes clear mention of what we can or cannot show regarding death. Death .. that manner of being that will eventually encapsulate us all is played out in such a profound and dignified manner by the program makers that it could hardly foster ill feeling.

If any of you are of a religious persuation or are against assisted dying then do not click the spoiler program link below which is around 50 minutes long.

Spoiler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJk-Qj-k7dY