Everton (a) post-match thread

Brightwell Bros. said:
I go on about this a lot, but handball as a rule was a way of stopping people picking up the ball and running with it like they did at a rival school. But it has always been a bit of a mess because it wasn't designed to do anything other than stopping blokes picking up the ball and running with it. They've tried to firm it up with the t-shirt line rule, but there always going to be grey areas. But I think in the broadest terms possible your upper arm/shoulder area can't give you that much control over the ball. Coaches aren't going to be having players do drills on it. But any rule you put in will have grey areas because football ain't a scientific sport.
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Yes.

A bit like the offside rule was to stop goal hanging and these millimetre measures they now have are a ridiculous way to try and apply the rule.

On the handball again, I haven't seen yet if MotD did a more considered analysis but when the ball, at least in part, hits a short sleeved shirt, awarding handball becomes a very harsh and very debatable matter.

It's not relevant to the VAR / handball debate but Everton's performance didn't warrant them getting a free shot at goal from the spot. It would have been a soft penalty and a very lucky escape on their part had they scored from it.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
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I agree on the whole, but I also think kdb is the shining example of talent working hard who everyone at the club loves. I think he raises everyone else's game by 5%. But the hard work is what keeps him in the team imo
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In that now famous interview Zinchenko slipped out what everybody fears, he said "you are past your peak". It could be correct but a player does not have to be at his peak to contribute to the team. It is a matter of getting the best out the player, especially from a hard working and nice guy like KDB.
 
OB1 said:
Yes.

A bit like the offside rule was to stop goal hanging and these millimetre measures they now have are a ridiculous way to try and apply the rule.

On the handball again, I haven't seen yet if MotD did a more considered analysis but when the ball, at least in part, hits a short sleeved shirt, awarding handball becomes a very harsh and very debatable matter.

It's not relevant to the VAR / handball debate but Everton's performance didn't warrant them getting a free shot at goal from the spot. It would have been a soft penalty and a very lucky escape on their part had they scored from it.
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Handball is a ridiculous rule anyway when it can be given from anywhere from the tips of your fingernails to bottom of a short sleeve.
If you can pick up the ball and carry it from where Rodri was supposed to have committed handball you’d have to be a contortionist.
Handball should be given if it is deliberately used to control the ball with your hand…end of
 
give it to gordon said:
They only check for off-side if its handball. VAR said it wasnt handball so dont need to go back and check for any off side !
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In cricket they check first to see if it was a no ball or not. If it’s a fair delivery they carry on, if not that‘s the end of it. Had they looked for offside first and found the diving Brazilian twat to be off then we wouldn’t have had all the moaning from the media.
 
ancoats said:
boiling piss... i love it

the one thing it shows is the media are anti manchester city






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The club has issued an official statement...

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We win, they lose.

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hgblue said:
Was he actually offside? He looked it in real time but it wasn’t mentioned again during commentary. They showed a still photo after the game with no lines drawn and it looked a lot tighter than I thought.
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Yes, he was...and by today's VAR standard it was not even close...
 
Sheik Battle and Goal said:
Handball is a ridiculous rule anyway when it can be given from anywhere from the tips of your fingernails to bottom of a short sleeve.
If you can pick up the ball and carry it from where Rodri was supposed to have committed handball you’d have to be a contortionist.
Handball should be given if it is deliberately used to control the ball with your hand…end of
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I've just watched MotD, who managed to make it look like Everton battered us in the first half.

Thier, mainly Shearer's assessment of the handball decision was as bumbling as it was indginant - all points to a handball...

They at least showed the view from behind the goal, which Sky did not; although the BBC did not freeze frame that best angle to decide from. I've attempted a few times to pause the play at the moment of contact and I have to say it is inconclusive as best I can tell and therefore VAR officials were actually correct not to overrule the on pitch decision.

It's not a clear handball, it's hard to tell how much, if any of the ball, touched skin.
 
BlueBanger said:
Awful, awful match...on the back of another.

We need to get our attacking shit together. Train nothing but attack drills please pep for the next couple of months because i think we can do the whole passing sideways and backwards thing with our eyes closed at this point.

Kev crap, no midfield, forcing 3 cb's into the squad, etc etc etc...hopefully sporting will give us some much needed confidence back.
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Stand down now ffs
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
I don't think Kev warrants a starting place?

He will always come up with a moment of class to remind us, goal against Chelsea, case in point.

But he's more liability than threat for a while now.

He doesn't have the type of fitness which allows him to get about the midfield and recover transitions, usually when he has lost the ball

I do think we have taken a backwards steps in terms of cohesion in the midfield not having Bernie and Foden playing in the engine room.

It becomes even more pronounced when them and Gundo are also being asked to play high, or at least naturally gravitating towards the attack end.

Kev is a big game player but I have felt for a while we may have already seen his peak, whilst all the time he will always give world class reminders.

He is the solution and also the cause at times, similar to how Toure was after his peak, teams know he won't/can't get back in.
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We control the game better without Kev and Sterling.
 
When Ederson got booked for trying to take the free kick from the wrong place, why did he try that? He seemed after the card to rant at the linesman as if he’d been told that was where the offside happened i.e. Richarlison. Did that lino flag in line with that position? All seems a bit odd all this.

Anyhow, haha!
 
Keeper! said:
The sad truth, for me we are a better team without him, he was always a risk taking player, always looking to make eye of the needle passes, game changing passes and in most games he produced.

But sadly in the last two season, those game changing moment's are becoming rare and his fitness levels have diminished alarmingly.

There is going to be a big call to make very soon unless KDB pulls off a Lazarus.
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Mark Twain.

While KDB was not his best, I’d say that went for at least 8 others, too.

It must be an awfully high bar that says KDB is not an automatic on the team sheet when fit…a bar numerous others could never rise above.
 
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