Everton post-match thread

[Didsbury Dave]

Physically he has just "fallen off a cliff" and it is alarming that the manager isn't addressing that reality. I honestly think it would be doing him a favour if we could get him to New York fairly sharpish although clearly that won't happen. I can't believe he even wants to be playing in some of these domestic matches at the moment where the pace is so frantic. He just ends up scrambling around on the floor quite often because he can't cope with the physicality and pace of the game. I know this sounds harsh but not so long ago he looked majestic and now too often he looks a fool. He can't be enjoying that? Like I said, it is genuinely sad to watch at times.

It is hugely alarming that the manager isn't addressing it. He would no doubt point to the goals YaYa has been getting but that's not the point. He's costing us control of matches.

Personally I don't think he's fallen off a cliff. I think it's been a slow decline for 2-3 years. Going to be really honest here, I think he's the most over-rated player in City history. The lack of short-range mobility was there, and costing us games, when he was at his peak. it's just gone much worse because his physical drive and ability to get past players has gone. He should have been sold 18 months ago when he had a market value and I'm not saying that with hindsight.

 

[birchwoodgingerste]

On a lesser note anyone heard anything regarding the trouble on priory road near ground.heard it kicked of proper and in Liverpool Echo mentioned city fan spitting at a woman. And people saying blazing squad fight city fans.some Everton fans said it was worst trouble seen outside Goodson for years. I thought the ugly days were over and those involved should be ashamed.

 

[coleridge]

It is hugely alarming that the manager isn't addressing it. He would no doubt point to the goals YaYa has been getting but that's not the point. He's costing us control of matches.

Personally I don't think he's fallen off a cliff. I think it's been a slow decline for 2-3 years. Going to be really honest here, I think he's the most over-rated player in City history. The lack of short-range mobility was there, and costing us games, when he was at his peak. it's just gone much worse because his physical drive and ability to get past players has gone. He should have been sold 18 months ago when he had a market value and I'm not saying that with hindsight.

As I remember, cakegate was around the time that they then went to Abu Dhabi with the trophies and many of us said that his agent and him had moaned enough, and that he should go. I think that the MP/Pep situation has allowed him to carry on and I can't see it being resolved until the summer. It also seems clear that Pellers will keep playing him.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

It is hugely alarming that the manager isn't addressing it. He would no doubt point to the goals YaYa has been getting but that's not the point. He's costing us control of matches.

Personally I don't think he's fallen off a cliff. I think it's been a slow decline for 2-3 years. Going to be really honest here, I think he's the most over-rated player in City history. The lack of short-range mobility was there, and costing us games, when he was at his peak. it's just gone much worse because his physical drive and ability to get past players has gone. He should have been sold 18 months ago when he had a market value and I'm not saying that with hindsight.

I know there was some decline, even in 13/14 where his passing and his goals pretty much won us the title you could tell that physically he was on the wane. But I still think there has been a staggering further drop off physically since then. And like you I was definitely of the mind that he should have been sold at the end of that season, especially when he started kicking off in the summer. I think we would struggle to get rid at all now given his wages. Personally I wouldn't describe him as overrated but I don't think he was ever the box to box player some said he was. But he was an awesome force and I look back at the four trophies we have won in recent years and all four of them it felt like he ultimately dragged us to them when push came to shove.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

As I remember, cakegate was around the time that they then went to Abu Dhabi with the trophies and many of us said that his agent and him had moaned enough, and that he should go. I think that the MP/Pep situation has allowed him to carry on and I can't see it being resolved until the summer. It also seems clear that Pellers will keep playing him.

Yeah, that's when he should have gone. The thing is we really don't know what was agreed. I know Pellegrini is big on managing individuals and may have made various promises, and I sense Ya Ya is a big voice in the dressing room, especially in a team which seems at the moment to lack leadership on the field. But it doesn't matter. The team comes first and with a load of big games coming up, we can't keep leaving Fernandinho on his own mopping up in a Ya Ya-shaped hole at the back of the midfield.

interestingly, Guardiola fucked him off from Barca when he was at his peak so I have doubts whatsoever Ya Ya is finished here in the summer.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Not going to comment on our performance we all know...But I must have gone for a piss and taken 80 mins so missed something ! I Heard Everton fans saying how good they where on the radio after the game and should have been 3 or more, i thought for a cup semi final at home it was a poor effort from them. It was 30 mins before they got in to the game, thought they would have been at us from the kick off knowing they would want a 2 goal lead coming to Etihad. If thats their best shot at a first wembley appearance for years it wouldnt have impressed me as a home fan.

True they won 2-1 and got the result, but we always needed to score at least once at home anyhow to win the tie. Business as usual at Etihad in 3 weeks !

Thought their fans where quiet until the end, we sang our hearts out first half.

I agree with that. I don't think they were very good at all & I don't think they would get through the other semi final, they were lucky to be playing City, & our fans were better than theirs.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

On a lesser note anyone heard anything regarding the trouble on priory road near ground.heard it kicked of proper and in Liverpool Echo mentioned city fan spitting at a woman. And people saying blazing squad fight city fans.some Everton fans said it was worst trouble seen outside Goodson for years. I thought the ugly days were over and those involved should be ashamed.

Sure they weren't just trying to converse in the local dialect?

 

[Dr.Faustus]

Each to their own, but I think we're clutching at straws if we think that should have been disallowed. If we're asking whether the current offside rules are too complicated and allow for too much interpretation, then that's a different issue.

The goal should not have stood. It does not however excuse the fact that we should have done better.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I simply don't see these issues that others seem to be seeing.

Then you need to go see a good optician.

You don't see the poor performances against even mid-table teams?
You don't see the gaping holes in our defence every week?
You don't see the opposition midfield walking unopposed through our midfield?
You don't see the failure to organise the defence and midfield in front of the ball when we're not in possession?
You don't see the lazy, half-hearted performances from our world-class midfield?
You don't see our consistent failure to keep a clean sheet?

And you don't see all the other faults in our preparation and play?

Yes every player and team will have their off-days but apart from the end of last season and the start of this, we've been under-performing for nearly 12 months.

 

[dubblue]

It is hugely alarming that the manager isn't addressing it. He would no doubt point to the goals YaYa has been getting but that's not the point. He's costing us control of matches.

Personally I don't think he's fallen off a cliff. I think it's been a slow decline for 2-3 years. Going to be really honest here, I think he's the most over-rated player in City history. The lack of short-range mobility was there, and costing us games, when he was at his peak. it's just gone much worse because his physical drive and ability to get past players has gone. He should have been sold 18 months ago when he had a market value and I'm not saying that with hindsight.

Yep said it at the time also. We need to be better at knowing the right time to sell st a decent price.