Everton - Post match thread.

Neville Kneville said:
I've seen Sane have two perfectly good games at wingback previously. Last night, he was average. Not shit: average.

Jesus was also average up front, in fact worse than Sane was at wingback.Do I think Jesus can't play up there ? No. Walker did nothing of note at all other than get sent off on the right side. do I think Walker can't play there ? No.

Do I know that a back 4 would have worked better ? No.
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Lets just say he was poor not shit?
 
Father Paul said:
On the evidence of last night he is not a very good wing back. He was targeted from the start and it was a good tactic as they also clearly exposed Otto's lack of pace.
He is only a young lad but from what I have seen of him so far he would be best further forward linking up with a good wing back/full back. It would not be wise to use him in that role all season if something more serious were to happen to Mendy.
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Well then, Everton caused us loads of problems 'targeting him' & Otta's lack of pace ?

In fact they caused us absolutely no trouble at all did they ? He won the ball & gave it away trying to pass it. Are we suggesting that Sane is more likely to misplace a pass, than Mendy or Danillo (or Walker for that matter) ? Of course he isn't, he is a far more talented footballer than those 3.

He fucked up a pass, it should have been easily dealt with, but the defence fell asleep & let Rooney score the same goal he scored v Mancini & Pellegrini.

Edit: it goes without saying he will play mostly as an attacker.
 
Neville Kneville said:
I've seen Sane have two perfectly good games at wingback previously. Last night, he was average. Not shit: average.

Jesus was also average up front, in fact worse than Sane was at wingback.Do I think Jesus can't play up there ? No. Walker did nothing of note at all other than get sent off on the right side. do I think Walker can't play there ? No.

Do I know that a back 4 would have worked better ? No.
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I'm not having a go at sane,he was put there,to blunt one of our special fast attackers is stupid,play dani there if anyone
 
BlueAnorak said:
It may have escaped your notice but of the 19 shots at least a third were blocked to some extent and another third were difficult because an extra touch was taken prior to the shot that led to a more difficult chance as it gave a defender a chance to close the player down.
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I'm not sure what you're trying to suggest. Doesn't this happen every game? Not every game does a team have 19 shots on the opponents goal. Everton, for example, had 1 last night.

We missed some really good opportunities. Silva hit the post. Aguero missed at least three sitters, including one that sent KDB into a rage. Sterling, right before his goal, did the same.

We had chances and didn't take them.

Oh and we dropped two points we shouldn't have.
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Alternatively, we rescued a point many thought we wouldn't.
 
Akiva said:
We took more long range efforts than I've seen for some time, 6 on goal from outside the box alone. Couple of good ones from Otamendi, no less.

Pep is clearly telling them to try their luck.
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Yes, Otamendi did have a few from distance, but that's sort of my point - would rather see more dependable scoring threats taking those chances, but I suppose you take what shots present themselves. Like others have said , the overall shot numbers were fine, just a feeling of one pass too many or a bit too tricky in spots for large parts of the match.
 
goodfelladh said:
Yes, Otamendi did have a few from distance, but that's sort of my point - would rather see more dependable scoring threats taking those chances, but I suppose you take what shots present themselves. Like others have said , the overall shot numbers were fine, just a feeling of one pass too many or a bit too tricky in spots for large parts of the match.
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When Messi gets in the positions Silva & De Bruyne get in, he is first looking to score, second, looking to play a 1/2 then score, and only 3rd, looking to play it wide or through.

Our attacking mids often look for option 3 first.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Well then, Everton caused us loads of problems 'targeting him' & Otta's lack of pace ?

In fact they caused us absolutely no trouble at all did they ? He won the ball & gave it away trying to pass it. Are we suggesting that Sane is more likely to misplace a pass, than Mendy or Danillo (or Walker for that matter) ? Of course he isn't, he is a far more talented footballer than those 3.

He fucked up a pass, it should have been easily dealt with, but the defence fell asleep & let Rooney score the same goal he scored v Mancini & Pellegrini.

Edit: it goes without saying he will play mostly as an attacker.
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Instead of attacking though he spent most of the time in our half despite City having most of the ball. A few attacks. I am sure that that was not what Pep intended.
 
goodfelladh said:
Yes, Otamendi did have a few from distance, but that's sort of my point - would rather see more dependable scoring threats taking those chances, but I suppose you take what shots present themselves. Like others have said , the overall shot numbers were fine, just a feeling of one pass too many or a bit too tricky in spots for large parts of the match.
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The problem with stats is they don't tell the whole story.

If you look at last season, for example, most games where we lost, our opponents only had one or two chances, but they took them. Is that because they are better at finishing than we are? No. It's because they were clear-cut, wide open, golden opportunities where we were pressing high and got caught out strung all over the place and out of position.

We have tons of "chances" which are in fact half whiffs of a chance, with the opponents packing the area and Messi at his best would do well to score. I am not saying they are ALL like that, clearly there's the odd sitter too. But equally 19 shots on goal and scoring only 1, doesn't tell the whole story.
 
Akiva said:
I'm not sure what you're trying to suggest. Doesn't this happen every game? Not every game does a team have 19 shots on the opponents goal. Everton, for example, had 1 last night.

We missed some really good opportunities. Silva hit the post. Aguero missed at least three sitters, including one that sent KDB into a rage. Sterling, right before his goal, did the same.

We had chances and didn't take them.

Alternatively, we rescued a point many thought we wouldn't.
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19 attempts is irrelevant if few of them are clear cut.
As to your last point, you serriously think we rescued a point? Unbelievable Jeff.
 
Marvin said:
Instead of attacking though he spent most of the time in our half despite City having most of the ball. A few attacks. I am sure that that was not what Pep intended.
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Walker did nothing in attack. It's because their manager is very aware of how Pep works, being from the same school.

Pep's intention will be to just keep at it, until we break through. He would hope that the Everton players lose a bit of discipline & suddenly Sane or Walker raid off down the sides with their pace. We miss a few chances, make one small mistake, & let a goal in. It should not have been a goal, we should have defended it.

0-0 half time, increae the pressure, swap a few playeres, nick a goal as they get tired, rip their fucking throats out when they come out.

Many of the games we ended up winning by cricket scores under Mancini & the Pelle, were non events for most of 45 mins.

We should not be 1 down, with the play Everton had. It should be 0-0 at the worst.

It is happening over & over. Solve it, we win the league & probably score 100 goals on the break.
 
Just like a repeat of last season -nothing has changed from that last night.
Also Aguero And Jesus is not working at times up front. Feel as though this will be another transitional season for us.
 
Chippy_boy said:
The problem with stats is they don't tell the whole story.

If you look at last season, for example, most games where we lost, our opponents only had one or two chances, but they took them. Is that because they are better at finishing than we are? No. It's because they were clear-cut, wide open, golden opportunities where we were pressing high and got caught out strung all over the place and out of position.

We have tons of "chances" which are in fact half whiffs of a chance, with the opponents packing the area and Messi at his best would do well to score. I am not saying they are ALL like that, clearly there's the odd sitter too. But equally 19 shots on goal and scoring only 1, doesn't tell the whole story.
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The constant conceding of goals from few chances, is because we are not good enough at defending.

We barely have to defend, because we have the ball. When we do have to defend, we are in trouble. Any kind of attack, it doesn't have to be Barca.

A long punt down the middle of the pitch or a straightforward cross, or scuffy little ball into the box, is just as likely to cause a goal v City, as Messi or Ronaldo.

That's the problem. Was all last season. If Pep doesn't fix it, we won't win anything, even if we sign Sanchez & Mbappe. We will still lose some games we should win, if we can't defend simple situations.

We need to admit it, & work on it (well Pep does).
 
BlueAnorak said:
19 attempts is irrelevant if few of them are clear cut.
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That's true but many of them were clear cut chances and I even listed a few (Silva hitting the post, Aguero's misses particularly the one that irked KDB, Sterling's tap in before his goal etc)

Your argument is Everton shut us down and this will be a sticking point for City under Pep for the duration of his tenure, but I'm just not seeing it.

We take our chances and we'd all be happier this morning.

As to your last point, you serriously think we rescued a point? Unbelievable Jeff.
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Plenty had us written off come 70 minutes. A man down (against a 12 man Everton) and a goal down with the likes of City Watch saying we'd be lucky to get anything out of the game.

I'd rather the three points, but we fought hard and got a result and Pep is right to express pride in his team for that, at least.
 
I can't recall many sides turning up with a back 5 and 3 holding midfielders which Everton did yesterday.

Our Achilles heel is not defending its finishing and as an aside how often do we miss sitters and the opposition score almost immediately. The poor finishing has spread almost like a cancer through our team, last night Kun many times, Silva and Sterling missed, or in Kun's case didn't take on, pretty straight forward efforts.
 
Will the FA be looking at the Walker sending off under the new rules?

http://www.thefa.com/news/2017/may/18/fa-to-punish-simulation-retrospectively-180517

Where there is clear and overwhelming evidence to suggest a match official has been deceived by an act of simulation, and as a direct result, an opposing player has been dismissed, The FA will be able to act retrospectively under its Fast Track system.

It seems a pretty obvious case to me. I won't hold my breath...
 
pavelsrnicek said:
I can't recall many sides turning up with a back 5 and 3 holding midfielders which Everton did yesterday.

Our Achilles heel is not defending its finishing and as an aside how often do we miss sitters and the opposition score almost immediately. The poor finishing has spread almost like a cancer through our team, last night Kun many times, Silva and Sterling missed, or in Kun's case didn't take on, pretty straight forward efforts.
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The team who wins the title, will win a decent number of games 1-0 & even moreso, will be winning 1-0 at half time. Not 0-1.
 
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